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Re: Creation, according to Fr Scott, another priest of the SSPX
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2022, 05:17:26 AM »
Given my first post tried to keep FE out of this discussion Tradman insists that one of the Pythagorean heresies was a global Earth. It was not, for then the likes of St Thomas etc would all have been heretics. I have no doubt this website below will interest Flat Earth believers who have not read it. But remember the teaching of Trent before you read it.:

‘Furthermore, in order to curb imprudent clever persons, the synod decrees that no one who relies on his own judgment in matters of faith and morals, which pertain to the building up of Christian doctrine, and that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense that is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light. Let those who shall oppose this be reported and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law.’ ---Trent. (Den.-786)

In other words,when some of the Fathers - who all lived before the time when man began to sail the world - have an opinion, then it is not Christian doctrine, and any FE who tries to make it so is opposing the Council of Trent's dogmatic teaching.


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Re: Creation, according to Fr Scott, another priest of the SSPX
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2022, 05:19:23 AM »
... otherwise Australia is in hell.

That's kindof how I always thought about it, and so did the Brits when they set it up as a penal colony.


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Re: Creation, according to Fr Scott, another priest of the SSPX
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2022, 10:03:36 AM »
Given my first post tried to keep FE out of this discussion Tradman insists that one of the Pythagorean heresies was a global Earth. It was not, for then the likes of St Thomas etc would all have been heretics. I have no doubt this website below will interest Flat Earth believers who have not read it. But remember the teaching of Trent before you read it.:

‘Furthermore, in order to curb imprudent clever persons, the synod decrees that no one who relies on his own judgment in matters of faith and morals, which pertain to the building up of Christian doctrine, and that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense that is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light. Let those who shall oppose this be reported and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law.’ ---Trent. (Den.-786)

In other words,when some of the Fathers - who all lived before the time when man began to sail the world - have an opinion, then it is not Christian doctrine, and any FE who tries to make it so is opposing the Council of Trent's dogmatic teaching.

When all the Fathers share an opinion for more than a 1000 years, whether or not they got into a boat to study it, it's automatically doctrine. The Fathers of the Church fought the Pythagorean globe for centuries and they talk about it a lot, in detail, and because it is all sourced from scripture, their opinions are the same. There were at least a dozen of them plus dozens of other Catholic notables supported them for centuries. And whether or not any of them got on a boat, they didn't need to sail around the world to be right because God Himself directs His Church. I honestly don't mean to be rude, but you gave at least two reasons why you are in defiance of your quote above. 1.Saying the teaching of the Fathers of the Church is erroneous because they couldn't back it up with science.  2.The Fathers of the Church are wrong for centuries because Thomas Aquinas couldn't be wrong in his personal opinion (which was never exactly forthcoming).

You're also missing key pieces. Saturated with heliocentric lies about distances and planets and gravity, people became confused (as they are to this today) because there was further development of a hybrid opinion that earth is a floating stationary globe with the sun going around it.  Perhaps some did it in a failed attempt to hold things in line with scripture and reason, others to be ecuмenical with the pagans and apostates who feigned proof earth is a globe. Who knows. The devil is the author of lies and it's always anything but the truth for him. Flat earth geocentrism is what the Fathers held and taught, and their model cannot be dismissed, according to the quote above. 

It wasn't my intention to steer your thread away or be rude in any way. I am a geocentric model guy, also working against modernist SSPX priests with false theories that are destroying faith in the Fathers, the Church and scripture. I merely responded to the erroneous parts in the piece. You're basically claiming the same things I am, but support a globe earth, which undermines your disagreement with Fr Scott and Fr Robinson. We have all the tools we need to fight those guys, but must hash out our differences in order to unite against them to shut their heresy down.  Between you and me, that would be the globe.       

Also, we can do this elsewhere if you like, but this article is easily proven full of error: Appendix C: The Fathers of the Church and Flat-Earthism 

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Re: Creation, according to Fr Scott, another priest of the SSPX
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2022, 11:57:07 AM »
Cassini, 

I checked out that author you included the link in your last post. It was written by a heretic named Schadewald who attempted to debunk flat earth but also spent his life debunking your version of geocentrism as well as creationism.   


An Opponent of Creation Science (Intelligent Design)[edit]

At the time of his death, Schadewald had been active for almost 20 years in the effort to keep "creation science," which he considered a thinly disguised religious doctrine, out of public school science classrooms. In 1983 he began attending creationist conferences, attending six major conferences in addition to the 1986, 1990, 1994 and 1998 International Conference on Creationism. He reported on these with articles in the Skeptical Inquirer and Reports of the National Center for Science Education.[11] From 1986 to 1992, he served on the board of directors of the National Center for Science Education, including two years as president.[12]


Re: Creation, according to Fr Scott, another priest of the SSPX
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2022, 12:19:33 PM »
Cassini,

I checked out that author you included the link in your last post. It was written by a heretic named Schadewald who attempted to debunk flat earth but also spent his life debunking your version of geocentrism as well as creationism. 


An Opponent of Creation Science (Intelligent Design)[edit]

At the time of his death, Schadewald had been active for almost 20 years in the effort to keep "creation science," which he considered a thinly disguised religious doctrine, out of public school science classrooms. In 1983 he began attending creationist conferences, attending six major conferences in addition to the 1986, 1990, 1994 and 1998 International Conference on Creationism. He reported on these with articles in the Skeptical Inquirer and Reports of the National Center for Science Education.[11] From 1986 to 1992, he served on the board of directors of the National Center for Science Education, including two years as president.[12]

I read the article as a history of the subject matter, not as a rejection of it. Even heretics are capable of researching and recording historical facts. I put it up for those with an interest in FE, thats all.