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What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.
25 (25.3%)
Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it
34 (34.3%)
Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told
31 (31.3%)
Other
9 (9.1%)

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Offline Cornelius

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #300 on: November 17, 2022, 04:39:04 PM »
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  • If the Earth is flat, why isn't the moon also flat? It's visibly spherical.
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #301 on: November 17, 2022, 04:50:56 PM »
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  • If the Earth is flat, why isn't the moon also flat? It's visibly spherical.
    Is the floor round because the light bulb in the ceiling is round?
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #302 on: November 17, 2022, 05:41:50 PM »
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  • Is the floor round because the light bulb in the ceiling is round?

    No, but that still doesn't really mean anything.

    The moon is a sphere, the sun is a sphere, spheres form in zero/low gravity environments. Plus you can like literally see the curvature when flying on planes, too, so...

    I don't really think I care one way or another about the shape of the Earth, but I the "normal" model of the universe makes sense even from a theological perspective. An incomprehensibly vast universe with an incomprehensibly tiny Earth makes sense to me. God would be telling us how insignificant we are compared to Him. The Earth revolving around the sun would also show that we are not the center of the universe or God's attention, God Himself is.
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #303 on: November 17, 2022, 09:46:11 PM »
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  • Plus you can like literally see the curvature when flying on planes, too, so...
    Are you sure? You must have really good eyes. You can't base this observation off of video footage because camera lenses can distort the horizon to curve either way.

    The Earth revolving around the sun would also show that we are not the center of the universe or God's attention, God Himself is.
    A very interesting thought you have here. I'm not against a universe with the earth and sun flying through space around a galaxy, it seems sensible, but I do like the idea of a geocentric model that includes the possibility of the earth spinning.
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #304 on: November 17, 2022, 09:56:33 PM »
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  • No, but that still doesn't really mean anything.

    The moon is a sphere, the sun is a sphere, spheres form in zero/low gravity environments. Plus you can like literally see the curvature when flying on planes, too, so...
    Neither did your original comment, which is why I said it.

    The point being, just because observable bodies in the heavens are spherical does not mean the world we stand on is spherical. There is a standard calculation for visible earth curvature (8 inchers per mile squared) which has proven time and time again that the curve should be visible where it is not. Rather than reiterate what has already been said, feel free to take some time and browse the Flat Earth subforum to see some of the proofs we offer.

    You're right that the shape of the earth doesn't necessarily mean much in the grand scheme of things, but it does offer some insights into the major spell people are under regarding the true nature of the earth and the heavens. I would argue that the geocentrism versus heliocentrism debate is of much greater importance because it does have an impact on where Man stands within Creation.
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #305 on: November 17, 2022, 10:26:31 PM »
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  • If the Earth is flat, why isn't the moon also flat? It's visibly spherical.

    You can’t tell spherical by looking at one face.  Even IF you could say you’re looking at convex toward you, that doesn’t mean sphere.  But the appearance of sphericity can be caused by a lot of factors including light, dark, and shadow.  Only way to determine sphericity is to see the other side ... which none of us FE believe has ever been done.

    Beside that, professional astronomers have reported that stars can be seen through the dark part of the moon.

    Finally, even if the moon were a sphere, this does not mean the earth is .., as DL pointed out.

    If as some believe the moon is a reflection off of or projection onto the firmament, concavity can also appear as convexity.  You’d have to see the other side.

    Maybe it’s a hemisphere.

    So for centuries the face of the moon we see has not changed.  For this to happen the moon’s alleged rotation would have to match its speed of revolution to the second.  If it were even a second off, the face would change over years, decades, and centuries.  I find that preposterous.  Scientists claim that the moon gets a bit farther from the earth every year, so that would mean that it’s rotation speed would have to increase by the exact same ratio.  This stretches credulity to its breaking point and is ridiculous.

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #306 on: November 17, 2022, 10:55:41 PM »
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  • You can’t tell spherical by looking at one face.  Even IF you could say you’re looking at convex toward you, that doesn’t mean sphere.  But the appearance of sphericity can be caused by a lot of factors including light, dark, and shadow.  Only way to determine sphericity is to see the other side ... which none of us FE believe has ever been done.

    Beside that, professional astronomers have reported that stars can be seen through the dark part of the moon.

    Finally, even if the moon were a sphere, this does not mean the earth is .., as DL pointed out.

    If as some believe the moon is a reflection off of or projection onto the firmament, concavity can also appear as convexity.  You’d have to see the other side.

    Maybe it’s a hemisphere.

    So for centuries the face of the moon we see has not changed.  For this to happen the moon’s alleged rotation would have to match its speed of revolution to the second.  If it were even a second off, the face would change over years, decades, and centuries.  I find that preposterous.  Scientists claim that the moon gets a bit farther from the earth every year, so that would mean that it’s rotation speed would have to increase by the exact same ratio.  This stretches credulity to its breaking point and is ridiculous.
    Or maybe it just proves how magnificent God's creation is. Working perfectly and everything in order. 
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #307 on: November 18, 2022, 10:13:04 AM »
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  • So for centuries the face of the moon we see has not changed.  For this to happen the moon’s alleged rotation would have to match its speed of revolution to the second.  If it were even a second off, the face would change over years, decades, and centuries.  I find that preposterous.  Scientists claim that the moon gets a bit farther from the earth every year, so that would mean that it’s rotation speed would have to increase by the exact same ratio.  This stretches credulity to its breaking point and is ridiculous.

    Well apparently there is evidence that the part that faces us has changed.

    https://earthsky.org/space/moons-tilt-has-changed-over-time/
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #308 on: November 18, 2022, 12:15:14 PM »
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  • https://www.rt.com/news/566781-earth-weight-new-measurements/

    18 Nov, 2022 15:41
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    ‘New’ weight of Earth revealed
    Our home planet weighs roughly six ronnagrams, scientists declared on Friday
    ‘New’ weight of Earth revealed
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    Scientists voted on Friday to add new prefixes to the SI system of measurement, with ronna- and quetta- becoming the largest units in the system. Following the additions, the Earth can now be said to weigh approximately six ronnagrams.

    The measurements were adopted at the 27th General Conference on Weights and Measures, which meets at Versailles Palace in France every four years and determines new additions to the International System of Units (SI).

    Just as a kilogram represents 1,000 grams, a ronnagram now represents one gram followed by 27 zeros and a quettagram one followed by 30 zeros. The prefixes can be applied to any of the base units in the SI system. For example, a ronnameter is equal to one meter to the power of 27, and a quettavolt is one volt of electric potential to the power of 30.

      
    The new prefixes were proposed by Dr. Richard Brown of the UK’s National Physical Laboratory, and were driven by the needs of the tech industry, which is already using the previous highest prefixes in data storage (yottabytes and zettabytes).

    “In terms of expressing data in yottabytes, which is the highest prefix currently, we’re very close to the limit,” Brown told AFP. He added that the new additions should “future proof the system” for the next 20 to 25 years. The SI system will face a fresh challenge at that point, as with ‘R’ and ‘Q’ taken, there are no more letters in the alphabet that are not already in use for other units.

    The new units make it easier to describe extremely large objects. “If we think about mass, instead of distance, the Earth weighs approximately six ronnagrams,” Brown said. “Jupiter, that’s about two quettagrams.”

    The conference also voted on two new prefixes to describe the smallest things in the universe. ‘Ronto’ describes one unit to the power of negative 27, while ‘quecto’ describes one unit to the power of negative 30. This means that one quectogram is equal to 0.000000000 000000000000000000001 grams.

    Such tiny measurements are “useful for quantum science, particle physics – when you're measuring really, really small things,” Brown explained.





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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #309 on: November 18, 2022, 04:59:05 PM »
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  • Heliocentrism is a Jєωιѕн conspiracy. It is a slippery slope. From Heliocentrism to atheism.

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #310 on: November 18, 2022, 06:02:45 PM »
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  • "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #311 on: November 18, 2022, 07:13:16 PM »
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  • Earth being female, you'd be hard pressed to be sure the number's right.  Could you really get that big old mamma jamma to admit her true weight?      

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #312 on: November 19, 2022, 12:28:57 AM »
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  • Wow, they must've had to break out a big scale for that one, huh?

    :facepalm:  Deepest anyone has dug is 8 miles (the Russians).  Everything below that is pure speculation and simply made up.  I love the headline "Scientists declare ..."

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #313 on: November 19, 2022, 12:30:33 AM »
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  • Well apparently there is evidence that the part that faces us has changed.

    https://earthsky.org/space/moons-tilt-has-changed-over-time/

    :facepalm:  "Billions of year ago" it says.  Yeah, right.  But this is not what I'm talking about at all.

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #314 on: November 19, 2022, 12:32:45 AM »
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  • Or maybe it just proves how magnificent God's creation is. Working perfectly and everything in order.

    Uhm, no.  God puts things into motion following certain laws.  No law of science has been articulated that could account for this phenomenon.  It's utterly absurd.