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What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.
25 (25.3%)
Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it
34 (34.3%)
Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told
31 (31.3%)
Other
9 (9.1%)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #285 on: October 07, 2022, 01:27:59 PM »
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  • Periscopes prove flat earth:

    59 seconds
    https://twitter.com/TNTJohn1717/status/1578424135029604358

    They can see 16 miles!

    So, I quickly Googled "how far can a periscope see".  Why is it that the FIRST search result at the top is a link to an FE debunking article, an article that doesn't even contain the phrase "how far can a periscope see"?  There's no mention of FE in my search terms.

    It's true that anything taller than about 120 feet can be seen from 16 miles out, at least the uppser part of it.  So we'd have to look into what they can see from that far away.

    There's one former military-submarine guy who's a Flat Earther who gave an interview where he explained a lot about how thy can see too far and whom provided a lot of detail, but I can't remember them offhad.


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #286 on: October 09, 2022, 12:45:16 AM »
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  • So, I quickly Googled "how far can a periscope see".  Why is it that the FIRST search result at the top is a link to an FE debunking article, an article that doesn't even contain the phrase "how far can a periscope see"?  There's no mention of FE in my search terms.

    It's true that anything taller than about 120 feet can be seen from 16 miles out, at least the uppser part of it.  So we'd have to look into what they can see from that far away.

    There's one former military-submarine guy who's a Flat Earther who gave an interview where he explained a lot about how thy can see too far and whom provided a lot of detail, but I can't remember them offhad.
    Ah yes, it's like the P900 videos as far as taking somebody's word for it I guess, except where Black Swan and others have given exact measurements.

    Here is naval submarine operator who testifies on the periscope anomaly as well as the fact that they do not calculate the curve of the ball as they travel long distances and the gyroscope.  The introduction ends and info begins about 5minutes in:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/egTqSapLhrcl/


    This is also interesting...


    "This is the ultimate proof there is NO curvature on earth. When this rail gun is fired its projectile does not have any steering capabilities, it goes in a straight line. The projectile travels at mach 7.5 and hits its target 100 nautical miles away. This would be impossible to do on a globe."
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    US NAVY RAIL GUN HITS TARGET 100 MILES AWAY PROVES FLAT EARTH

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/JxvyHIUpPTGQ/
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #287 on: October 09, 2022, 10:34:35 AM »
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  • US NAVY RAIL GUN HITS TARGET 100 MILES AWAY PROVES FLAT EARTH

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/JxvyHIUpPTGQ/
    Makes you wonder about the lack of gray matter in people's heads who still insist that earth is a globe.  If earth surface curves, the rail gun will miss it's target.  Every single time.  Since the gun is accurate 100+ miles away, there is no physical possibility for earth to be a globe. Those people having seen the railgun, continue to defend globe earth models, advertise their own intellectual dishonesty.      

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #288 on: November 13, 2022, 11:15:24 AM »
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  • Makes you wonder about the lack of gray matter in people's heads who still insist that earth is a globe.  If earth surface curves, the rail gun will miss it's target.  Every single time.  Since the gun is accurate 100+ miles away, there is no physical possibility for earth to be a globe. Those people having seen the railgun, continue to defend globe earth models, advertise their own intellectual dishonesty.     
    https://flatearth.ws/railgun
    Railgun

    A railgun is an experimental weapon that uses electromagnetic force to launch high-velocity projectiles. Some railguns are expected to have a range of more than 200 miles.

    Flat-Earthers claim that a railgun round always travels straight. And because it can hit targets beyond 200 miles, they use it as “proof” Earth’s curvature does not exist. They are wrong. In reality, railgun rounds are projectiles. The same law of physics that applies to bullets, arrows, or thrown rocks also applies to them. The rounds are affected by air resistance and Earth’s gravity, and will not travel straight for very long. Railguns are capable of hitting targets obstructed by Earth’s curvature and are not proof that Earth’s curvature does not exist.

    Flat-Earthers probably took the conclusion after watching some videos showing that railgun rounds travel straight. However, the videos only show us the trajectory of a railgun round over a very short distance. It looks straight just like a handgun shoots practically straight over 10 ft. Over a longer range, the curved trajectory will be apparent, be it a thrown rocks or hypervelocity railgun rounds.
    There are several docuмents from the US Navy that clearly show us that railgun rounds are not fired straight at the target but fired at an angle, with a parabolic trajectory, consistent with other applications of ballistics.

    Presentations
    From “Naval Railgun Tech Assessment” — US Navy, 2004 (source):

    ONR Presentation (source):





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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #289 on: November 13, 2022, 02:10:40 PM »
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  • https://flatearth.ws/railgun
    Railgun

    A railgun is an experimental weapon that uses electromagnetic force to launch high-velocity projectiles. Some railguns are expected to have a range of more than 200 miles.

    Flat-Earthers claim that a railgun round always travels straight. And because it can hit targets beyond 200 miles, they use it as “proof” Earth’s curvature does not exist. They are wrong. In reality, railgun rounds are projectiles. The same law of physics that applies to bullets, arrows, or thrown rocks also applies to them. The rounds are affected by air resistance and Earth’s gravity, and will not travel straight for very long. Railguns are capable of hitting targets obstructed by Earth’s curvature and are not proof that Earth’s curvature does not exist.

    Flat-Earthers probably took the conclusion after watching some videos showing that railgun rounds travel straight. However, the videos only show us the trajectory of a railgun round over a very short distance. It looks straight just like a handgun shoots practically straight over 10 ft. Over a longer range, the curved trajectory will be apparent, be it a thrown rocks or hypervelocity railgun rounds.
    There are several docuмents from the US Navy that clearly show us that railgun rounds are not fired straight at the target but fired at an angle, with a parabolic trajectory, consistent with other applications of ballistics.

    Presentations
    From “Naval Railgun Tech Assessment” — US Navy, 2004 


    Oh my goodness, more lies suited for liberal minds. This is a ridiculous attempt to reassign the laws of high velocity projectiles in order to pretend earth is a globe.  If this were true, how would the railgun account for gravity changes in differences in the height of land masses that aren't consistent for the entire range?  How could high velocity be maintained in an arc with changing gravity influences along the way if the velocity isn't the ruler? A high velocity projectile is not affected because inertia overcomes change in direction until it doesn't. The only way a rail gun can work is in a direct line. High speed trajectories don't curve, except perhaps, at the end, when they fall off from diminishing energy. Even then, that is minimal and calculable for the range, if they hope to hit the target.  Same with a gun.  Whoever wrote this is a nincompoop.  As if one anonymous opinion can somehow overcome thousands of years of the Fathers of the Church, as well as scripture and scientific proofs to the contrary just because people can't handle the truth.   :facepalm:         


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #290 on: November 14, 2022, 04:27:33 PM »
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  •  Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it 30 (35.3%)

    Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told

    26 (30.6%)

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #291 on: November 14, 2022, 07:09:32 PM »
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  • Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it 30 (35.3%)

    Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told

    26 (30.6%)

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    Nice.  I'd sure hate to think truth was a popularity contest. 

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #292 on: November 14, 2022, 07:41:00 PM »
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  • Ha, I can only imagine what the numbers would be if the poll wasn't conducted in the ghetto populated/dominated by mostly flat earthers.


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #293 on: November 15, 2022, 07:31:40 PM »
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  • So, I quickly Googled "how far can a periscope see".  Why is it that the FIRST search result at the top is a link to an FE debunking article, an article that doesn't even contain the phrase "how far can a periscope see"?  There's no mention of FE in my search terms.

    It's true that anything taller than about 120 feet can be seen from 16 miles out, at least the uppser part of it.  So we'd have to look into what they can see from that far away.

    There's one former military-submarine guy who's a Flat Earther who gave an interview where he explained a lot about how thy can see too far and whom provided a lot of detail, but I can't remember them offhad.
    Out of curiosity I searched the same thing and I recommend everyone to stop using Google as a search engine: 
    https://www.quora.com/How-far-can-a-submarine-periscope-see-above-water
    "1.155 times the square root of the height of eye in feet. Answer in nm. Add this to distance from other ship to horizon. So if the periscope is 4 feet above water, and the ship is 100 feet high, the answer is 2.4+12= 14.4 nm when you see just the tip of his mast. "Actual formula is 4/3 square root height of eye in feet equals distance to the horizon in nautical miles. Multiply this by 1.14 to get statute miles. As stated, if you know the mast head height or freeboard you can reverse extrapolate distance to target. There are only 2 types of ships, submarines and targets.
    (Navy and imperial measurements gave me a headache 🤪 but the 16 mi as the video states was accurate.
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #294 on: November 16, 2022, 11:26:16 PM »
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  • I'm not so sure after I read this from Haydock:


    And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: - Genesis 1:14

    The day is completed in twenty-four hours, during which space the earth moves round its axis, and exposes successively different parts of its surface to the sun. It goes at a rate of fifty-eight thousand miles an hour, and completes its orbit in the course of a year. (Haydock)

    - George Leo Haydock

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #295 on: November 17, 2022, 12:38:08 AM »
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  • I'm not so sure after I read this from Haydock:


    And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: - Genesis 1:14

    The day is completed in twenty-four hours, during which space the earth moves round its axis, and exposes successively different parts of its surface to the sun. It goes at a rate of fifty-eight thousand miles an hour, and completes its orbit in the course of a year. (Haydock)

    - George Leo Haydock

    Not so sure about what?

    I'll stick with St. Robert Bellarmine and the Holy Office when they decided that it is proximate to heresy to hold that the earth moves.

    I don't see "St." in front of Fr. Haydock's name, nor "Doctor of the Church" after it.


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #296 on: November 17, 2022, 09:57:35 AM »
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  • I'm not so sure after I read this from Haydock:


    And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: - Genesis 1:14

    The day is completed in twenty-four hours, during which space the earth moves round its axis, and exposes successively different parts of its surface to the sun. It goes at a rate of fifty-eight thousand miles an hour, and completes its orbit in the course of a year. (Haydock)

    - George Leo Haydock

    Haydock was deluded like the rest of us before we realized we were lied to.  Incidentally, his numbers are way off.  According to NASA the imaginary globe travels quite a bit faster at 67,000 mph to complete a year around the sun which is almost 10,000 mph difference. So it's not like Haydock knew anything, he was repeating what he'd heard at the time.  That's not science.  It's also not teaching.  It is a lie planted purposefully by evil doers so error can be propagated by good people unintentionally, which is how the enemy operates, sowing tares.  

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #297 on: November 17, 2022, 11:12:17 AM »
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  • Haydock was deluded like the rest of us before we realized we were lied to.  Incidentally, his numbers are way off.  According to NASA the imaginary globe travels quite a bit faster at 67,000 mph to complete a year around the sun which is almost 10,000 mph difference. So it's not like Haydock knew anything, he was repeating what he'd heard at the time.  That's not science.  It's also not teaching.  It is a lie planted purposefully by evil doers so error can be propagated by good people unintentionally, which is how the enemy operates, sowing tares. 

    I just find it weird, because Haydock was from way back in 18th century and obviously his works were all approved by the Church before getting published. So it was a lie, then back then all the Catholics including the ones in Vatican were lied to back then. Most narrative of the Flat Earther I read argues that the lie was made up by NASA and they fabricated history since then, but now we see a catholic priest from way back who wrote commentary in 18th century "being lied to"? Then by whom? And how long ago was this alleged lie formed?
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #298 on: November 17, 2022, 11:47:02 AM »
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  • I just find it weird, because Haydock was from way back in 18th century and obviously his works were all approved by the Church before getting published. So it was a lie, then back then all the Catholics including the ones in Vatican were lied to back then. Most narrative of the Flat Earther I read argues that the lie was made up by NASA and they fabricated history since then, but now we see a catholic priest from way back who wrote commentary in 18th century "being lied to"? Then by whom? And how long ago was this alleged lie formed?

    Flat earthers have said it all along the way. We know NASA isn't the originator of this lie because the Church was fighting this back in the 15 and 1600's, and even well before that.  NASA is just the advanced scientism accepted today.  Various Fathers and saints battled the lie into submission along the way, but it kept coming. It's amazing the tenacity of Evil often exceeds Christianity's determination to defend truth. But that's really no surprise. Consider the predicament we're in with Francis and the anti-Catholic clergy these days.  A lot of us already know it's true, but imagine the surprise of Catholics who suddenly realize the human element of the Church has been hijacked. As for the globe lie, Satan re-created the world in his own image.  He had to established a false world, a relativistic world, where reality, absolutes and doctrine do not exist physically or spiritually: False world, false church, false doctrine. And because people believe the lie, Satan has built this support system to give himself credibility so the Antichrist will be more readily accepted, but just as importantly, to undermine the credibility of God and in scripture. 

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #299 on: November 17, 2022, 04:36:28 PM »
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  • Yeah, I don't know where this false claim that FEs believe NASA invented the ball earth comes from.  Sounds similar to the myth that FEs believe that the earth is this flat pancake flying through space.  There's an emphasis on NASA just because NASA has been the focal point of trying to prove that the earth is a ball, but nobody thinks that NASA invented FE.