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What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.
25 (25.3%)
Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it
34 (34.3%)
Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told
31 (31.3%)
Other
9 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 96

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Offline MiracleOfTheSun

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #270 on: October 06, 2022, 09:12:57 AM »
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  • I've never really looked into this but is the moon also flat?  And the planets too?  Thanks.  Succinct answers get more points.





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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #271 on: October 06, 2022, 10:56:32 AM »
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  • I've never really looked into this but is the moon also flat?  And the planets too?  Thanks.  Succinct answers get more points.



    I don't think the moon is flat flat, but has optical illusion properties that make it hard to tell if its convex or concave (like the lighted singing busts on the Haunted Mansion ride at Disneyland) The visible part of the moon may be convex (rounded outwardly) which gives it a spherical appearance, or the surface may be actually be concave. This allows for an outer layer to interact with the aether to create a shadow for phases.  Because the moon rolls like a wheel, almost 180 degrees every night, and we only see one side, yet we see > 50%, also lends itself to to it being more of a disk with a concave or convex surface.  


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #272 on: October 06, 2022, 11:39:04 AM »
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  • As far as the stars are concerned, check out this video and draw your own conclusions about them having a spherical shape.  I own a P900 and have video of my own that look the same, so I can verify that this video shows the stars as is.   


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #273 on: October 06, 2022, 12:49:43 PM »
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  • Interesting.  When you've observed, did you mount the P900 onto a telescope and what size lens on the telescope?  Also, if the rings of Saturn are visible, why is Mars so distorted?  Seems like Mars should be a lot clearer given its distance.

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #274 on: October 06, 2022, 01:14:07 PM »
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  • Interesting.  When you've observed, did you mount the P900 onto a telescope and what size lens on the telescope?  Also, if the rings of Saturn are visible, why is Mars so distorted?  Seems like Mars should be a lot clearer given its distance.
    The only thing I mounted my camera on was a tripod because the P900 *is* a telescope.  In fact, my camera out performed my friend's 10" telescope and during a recent event we found ourselves looking more through the camera than the telescope.  There is a drawback to the camera because the telephoto is both mechanical and digital and it can be a bear to stabilize against moving objects like the stars that quickly move out of frame.  When you get it right, the pictures and video are amazing.  

    As far as some stars being clearer or not, that can change depending on how close a star is, it seems.  I've never seen Saturn any clearer than that video showed, but from what I've seen, Mars has a more distinctive pattern than what was shown in the video. Some stars, like Sirius, are always stunningly clear and you can tell with your own eyes they are definitely not solid bodies, but actually twinkling lights.  


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #275 on: October 06, 2022, 05:22:47 PM »
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  • Also, for a flat earth newbie such as myself, what's on the other side or bottom of the earth?  Thanks

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #276 on: October 06, 2022, 05:39:16 PM »
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  • Also, for a flat earth newbie such as myself, what's on the other side or bottom of the earth?  Thanks
    Heaven is above.  Hell is below. Earth is the plane in between.

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #277 on: October 06, 2022, 05:41:28 PM »
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  • How wide is the earth as a disk?


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #278 on: October 06, 2022, 05:55:00 PM »
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  • How wide is the earth as a disk?
    Some say 8,000 miles but there's reason to believe that amount is only the current habitable space, with more available.  

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #279 on: October 06, 2022, 07:09:01 PM »
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  • Also, for a flat earth newbie such as myself, what's on the other side or bottom of the earth?  Thanks

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #280 on: October 06, 2022, 10:07:30 PM »
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  • How wide is the earth as a disk?

    That's a matter or speculation.  It's bounded at some point, in theory, where the firmament touches down (that's actually what one of the Church Fathers Sungenis misinterprets is actually saying when he said the world is a circle bounded by a sphere).  But whether there's anything outside of this border and actually how big of a diameter you have before the firmament touches down ... nobody knows for sure.

    Some FEs claim that the flat plane goes on for much farther, but I don't think that the Church Fathers believed that.


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #281 on: October 06, 2022, 10:20:58 PM »
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  • So, as I touched on before, Dr. Sungenis cited the Father Arnobius for holding that the earth is a sphere:
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    round, and bounded on every side by the circuмference of a solid sphere

    But what does that mean, "round and bounded by a sphere"?  That makes no sense for NASA's ball earth.

    Arnobius is clearly talking about a model of the earth that looks like this (that's backed up by multiple Church Fathers).



    So, a cross-section of a sphere is what's "round and bounded on every side by a sphere.  This above here is what the Church Fathers meant when they called the earth a sphere, not that it's a ball on whose surface we live.  There's no doubt about it.  Another quote from Sungenis was from St. Ambrose, who's disputing against some who claim that the heavens can't spin around the earth because the waters (of heaven) would then flow down off the top of the sphere.  St. Ambrose disagrees, but they both agree that there's a sphere that keeps the waters out.  How does the idea of waters flowing down off the sphere make any sense for NASA's ball earth?  It doesn't.  Waters flowing down off the sphere in the ball model would have the surface of the earth (what NASA holds to be the sphere) inundated with water without a firmamet to keep it off there.

    Some Fathers argued that the earth (as above) was a hemisphere because they believed that the heavier elements (earth for instance) would sink to the bottom of the universe (due to density).  St. Augustine felt that was a tenable opinion, since even if at the bottom, the earth could be said to be the center (as in center bottom).  Still others rejected it being a sphere of any kind because Sacred Scripture referred to the firmament being like a tent (which aren't typically round).  But St. Augustine uses the example of a ball where the material could be stretched and yet shaped like a sphere (or hemi-sphere).

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #282 on: October 06, 2022, 10:54:07 PM »
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  • Quite a while ago I watched a debate between Sungenis and Rob Skiba.  Not sure I have time for a deep dive but are there any trad flat earthers out there with material available?  Might poke around a bit.

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #283 on: October 07, 2022, 05:19:43 AM »
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  • I don't have a superzoom camera, but if I did I would love to not only check out boats that are supposedly too far away to be seen, but also get a photo like this if I could:











    Yeah, like this.  Only the people on board the plane wouldn't feel a thing??





    You can feel the plane tilt left, tilt right, tilt aft, but...


    you never, ever, feel it tilt forward.


    Otherwise, the people would start to scream and the Captain would have to say, 

    "We're going over the curve, folks. Hang on tight!"  LOL



    Oh, before anyone says it's sooo gradual, keep in mind that ships are supposedly disappearing behind that "curve" only 5 or 6 miles out.

    10 miles out is a 66 foot DROP.

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #284 on: October 07, 2022, 01:03:08 PM »
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  • Periscopes prove flat earth:

    59 seconds
    https://twitter.com/TNTJohn1717/status/1578424135029604358

    They can see 16 miles!
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