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What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.
25 (25%)
Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it
35 (35%)
Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told
31 (31%)
Other
9 (9%)

Total Members Voted: 92

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Offline Tradman

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #185 on: September 27, 2022, 02:45:26 PM »
Go listen to 20.30 minutes. Up to then he has been talking about Scripture and tradition as the truth. Didn't all the Fathers, tradition, and the 1616 decree define sunrise as the sun actually rising in the East and those who reject this are formal heretics. Could someone let him know this.Anyway, let him carry on.
I just want to know where east is located on a globe. 
Must be random placement.  Clearly Taylor Marshall is unaware of the real discussions on flat earth.

The globe casts doubt on this passage in scripture:
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our iniquities from us. Psalm 103:12
On a globe, the two directions actually meet at some point or technically, everywhere.  



Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #186 on: September 27, 2022, 02:47:12 PM »
So do you believe in the ever expanding universe and outer space?  The Ein Sof?

Is there a circle that surrounds the ball earth?  A circle at the edge of the ever expanding universe where Heaven begins?

I've never seen a picture of it.  Have you?

Mary of Agreda's depiction seems compatible to this:

I do not believe in an expanding universe for that would suggest it is infinite. A heliocentric universe could be said to be infinite. A geocentric universe proves it cannot be infinite.

The ever expanding stars, not the universe, comes from Hubble's interpretation of the red-shift of stars. Robert Gentry wrote that many scientists disputed this interpretation. Anyway, it was extrapolated back to a big bang beginning. 

Few know that Copernicus wrote:
'‘But if someone opines that the Earth revolves, he will also say that the movement is natural and not violent. Now things which are according to nature produce effects contrary to those that are violent… and are kept in their best organization. Therefore, Ptolemy had no reason to fear that the Earth and all things on the Earth would be scattered.’ --- On the Revolutions, Book 1, par 8.'

In other words a geocentric universe could cause an expansion of the stars

I have seen many pictures of heaven above. Heaven is up there, that is all we know about the place of heaven. Aquinas said Hell has to be the furthest place away from heaven. 

Just got a phone call as I was writing this to tell me an old friend has just died. Don was his name, a great Catholic whose wife died some time ago. She wanted to die because the world has been taken over by Satan. A prayer for the repose of his soul would be appreciated.
I suppose we have to get our priorities right


Offline Tradman

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #187 on: September 27, 2022, 03:12:26 PM »
I do not believe in an expanding universe for that would suggest it is infinite. A heliocentric universe could be said to be infinite. A geocentric universe proves it cannot be infinite.

The ever expanding stars, not the universe, comes from Hubble's interpretation of the red-shift of stars. Robert Gentry wrote that many scientists disputed this interpretation. Anyway, it was extrapolated back to a big bang beginning.

Few know that Copernicus wrote:
'‘But if someone opines that the Earth revolves, he will also say that the movement is natural and not violent. Now things which are according to nature produce effects contrary to those that are violent… and are kept in their best organization. Therefore, Ptolemy had no reason to fear that the Earth and all things on the Earth would be scattered.’ --- On the Revolutions, Book 1, par 8.'

In other words a geocentric universe could cause an expansion of the stars

I have seen many pictures of heaven above. Heaven is up there, that is all we know about the place of heaven. Aquinas said Hell has to be the furthest place away from heaven.

Just got a phone call as I was writing this to tell me an old friend has just died. Don was his name, a great Catholic whose wife died some time ago. She wanted to die because the world has been taken over by Satan. A prayer for the repose of his soul would be appreciated.
I suppose we have to get our priorities right
Sorry to hear, I will pray for your friends.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #188 on: September 27, 2022, 06:50:20 PM »
Go listen to 20.30 minutes. Up to then he has been talking about Scripture and tradition as the truth. Didn't all the Fathers, tradition, and the 1616 decree define sunrise as the sun actually rising in the East and those who reject this are formal heretics. Could someone let him know this.Anyway, let him carry on.

Dr. Sungenis has said that same thing, that the notion of the sun "rising" is a matter of perspective.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #189 on: September 27, 2022, 07:02:33 PM »


Marshall makes the same error that Sungenis does, interpreting Patristic references to the world/earth being a sphere as equating to NASA's ball earth.  But their conception of the earth as a sphere included the enclosing firmament and had nothing to do with the earth being a ball on whose surface people walked, and somehow magically stuck to upside down.