The funny thing is, most indulters I know aren't phased at all by the fact that Catholics are much more likely to believe the Earth is flat. Instead of making the flat earth theory more credible, it makes traditionalists more idiotic in their mind!

Just goes to show what has deeper roots in their minds.

I have not voted.

"Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe…"

Please provide an accepted source, preferably Magisterium, defining that geocentrism demands GE.

In my geocentrism journey, I recall no such definition.

I have not voted.

"Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe…"

Please provide an accepted source, preferably Magisterium, defining that geocentrism demands GE.

In my geocentrism journey, I recall no such definition.

Well, the only reason I added Geocentrism shaped like a globe is because FEs are also technically geocentrists.  I could have made that clearer.  Well, at least the Catholic FEs are.

It was actually an interesting debate among the Fathers.  So they ALL believed, to a man, that the earth is the center of the universe, but there was a debate about whether that meant vertically and horizontally, or just horizontally (while on the bottom).  St. Augustine (while not necessarily siding) thought it's OK for the earth to be at the bottom of creation and it would still count as the "center" of the universe.  Reason for the debate is that some argued that the heavier elements would sink to the bottom (due to density).  Those who held that it was suspended in the middle of the waters were criticized for this belief due to this violating the notion of density.  Then their opponents countered that, if they say this, the earth wouldn't be the center of creation.  They did not believe in gravity, but St. Augustine posited something caused by the pressure of the water around it keeping it in suspension.  That sounds similar to a pressure from ether that Tesla posited as an explanation for the phenomenon called "gravity", except for him this was from "ether".  But it just seemed to be taken for granted that it was borderline heretical or anathema to claim the earth was not the center of the universe and of creation, and that's why St. Augustine had to defend the "bottom" theory against accusations that it overturns centrality.

So those FEs who may hold that the earth is at the very bottom would also fall under St. Augustine's defense of center bottom qualifying as center.

The exaggerations are worse than 85% but I got the 85% from a geocentric book. I think the Sun is less than 5,000,000 miles away. Maybe 4,560,000 or so. And it doesn't orbit the Earth because of "gravity". Gravity is not even a lateral force.

the universe is vast but heliocentrism has exaggerated the size of it by about 85%. The Sun's not 93,000,000 miles away but much closer.

So, were you one of the "Other" votes?  I did attach the concept of a "vast universe" to Geocentrism, so it appears that you hold to a Geocentrism in a much smaller universe.

Of course, even 15% would be considered vast compared to the FE position ... which I think in general considers it to be a question of thousands of miles rather than millions.  And Catholic FEs also thousands of years since creation, not millions.

Lazy drunk, I provided the link: http://judaism.is/cosmology.html  If you imagine anything ambiguous about my geocentrism, see the sentence above: I am 100% geocentrist.

My apologies, good sir.  This is the first I am reading of your position.  As it happens, I did not see whatever reply you made elsewhere before reading your comment here.  I am away for days at a time and simply go with the flow, top to bottom, whenever I am able to stop by CI.

I offer no defense respecting my laziness nor drunkenness, but I assure you I have not read your reply elsewhere and neither fault of mine played any role in this instance.  I shall read your other reply and, as appropriate, retract anything that demands such.  

After your brilliant mind and impeccable logic and perishing perspicacity adjudicated that I am a heretical heliocentrist, the plain fact is I am 100% geocentrist and the public record has attested to that for at least a year.

Lazy drunk, I spoon-fed you the link: http://judaism.is/cosmology.html  

When you say "public record" you are referring to what, exactly?  Your own site?  

For my part, I had not read a single word from you on CI about the issue until recently, when you simply stated that geocentrism was "interesting."   Clearly, you were understating your opinion in the extreme, which is your prerogative.  Saying something is "interesting" and then proclaiming one's "fierce" adherence to said position are somewhat different, no?  No biggie.

I took what little you had said on CI -- not elsewhere, especially as it was only recently provided -- and drew conclusions which you have helped me see were erroneous.  Thank you.  I am sorry, but you were far from explicit hitherto.  Thank you very much for being so now.