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What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.
25 (24.8%)
Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it
35 (34.7%)
Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told
32 (31.7%)
Other
9 (8.9%)

Total Members Voted: 93

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2022, 06:07:55 PM »
I have not voted.

"Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe…"

Please provide an accepted source, preferably Magisterium, defining that geocentrism demands GE.

In my geocentrism journey, I recall no such definition.

Well, the only reason I added Geocentrism shaped like a globe is because FEs are also technically geocentrists.  I could have made that clearer.  Well, at least the Catholic FEs are.

It was actually an interesting debate among the Fathers.  So they ALL believed, to a man, that the earth is the center of the universe, but there was a debate about whether that meant vertically and horizontally, or just horizontally (while on the bottom).  St. Augustine (while not necessarily siding) thought it's OK for the earth to be at the bottom of creation and it would still count as the "center" of the universe.  Reason for the debate is that some argued that the heavier elements would sink to the bottom (due to density).  Those who held that it was suspended in the middle of the waters were criticized for this belief due to this violating the notion of density.  Then their opponents countered that, if they say this, the earth wouldn't be the center of creation.  They did not believe in gravity, but St. Augustine posited something caused by the pressure of the water around it keeping it in suspension.  That sounds similar to a pressure from ether that Tesla posited as an explanation for the phenomenon called "gravity", except for him this was from "ether".  But it just seemed to be taken for granted that it was borderline heretical or anathema to claim the earth was not the center of the universe and of creation, and that's why St. Augustine had to defend the "bottom" theory against accusations that it overturns centrality.

So those FEs who may hold that the earth is at the very bottom would also fall under St. Augustine's defense of center bottom qualifying as center.

Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2022, 08:18:52 PM »
the universe is vast but heliocentrism has exaggerated the size of it by about 85%. The Sun's not 93,000,000 miles away but much closer.


Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2022, 08:53:29 PM »
The exaggerations are worse than 85% but I got the 85% from a geocentric book. I think the Sun is less than 5,000,000 miles away. Maybe 4,560,000 or so. And it doesn't orbit the Earth because of "gravity". Gravity is not even a lateral force.

Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2022, 09:13:28 PM »
In my geocentrism journey, I recall no such definition.

Where are you on said "geocentrism journey"?  50/50?  70/30?

Surely your starting point must have been, and in a real sense remains, heliocentrism?

As one cannot hold two conflicting views at the same time respecting the same subject, what say you?

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2022, 09:24:09 PM »
the universe is vast but heliocentrism has exaggerated the size of it by about 85%. The Sun's not 93,000,000 miles away but much closer.

So, were you one of the "Other" votes?  I did attach the concept of a "vast universe" to Geocentrism, so it appears that you hold to a Geocentrism in a much smaller universe.

Of course, even 15% would be considered vast compared to the FE position ... which I think in general considers it to be a question of thousands of miles rather than millions.  And Catholic FEs also thousands of years since creation, not millions.