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What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.
25 (25%)
Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it
35 (35%)
Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told
31 (31%)
Other
9 (9%)

Total Members Voted: 92

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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #370 on: May 09, 2023, 11:05:03 AM »
I voted other because I'm not too sure on the current FE model. Personally I do think it's flat since the ball stuff has too many problems. Also nasa is big gαy and ʝʊdɛօ-masonic.. the cuts to the 'room'.. you can see the nose....

Anyway I'm on page 20 of this thread and am busy atm so can't read more, is there any 'good' FE models? The current one does not take into account the Southern hemisphere and has some other problems.


Also unfortunately many FEers are protestants and believe ridiculous stuff about Catholics being 'pagan' or 'constaintine Christian' or some other garbage propaganda. Meaning there are not grounded in truth and will never consider the teachings of the Church fathers which would help them tremendously.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #371 on: May 09, 2023, 01:50:38 PM »
Anyway I'm on page 20 of this thread and am busy atm so can't read more, is there any 'good' FE models? The current one does not take into account the Southern hemisphere and has some other problems.

It does if you understand it, where the sun moves faster in the southern hemisphere, and the notion of the 24-hour sun in Antarctica has never been demonstrated.  In fact, the only two videos out there were demonstrably faked (cuts were made and exact cloud patterns repeated after 24 hours, etc.).  One of the things that needs to be studied are the arguments regarding the movement of the stars in the "southern" "hemisphere", and I've seen arguments from both sides but haven't had time to study the details.

I just know that the tests that have been conducted simply can't work on a globe, well, not a globe of the size they claim it to be.  Perhaps if the globe were much larger than we're told, but there's not a chance that these results could be obtained on a globe of the size they claim the earth to be.  Really the only answer might be that some other force, perhaps electromagnetism, somehow bends light perfectly around the globe, but no globe earther has ever proposed (much less demonstrated) such a thing.

Nor has there been an even remotely adequate explanation for how the planet could retain the atmosphere adjacent to the nearly-absolute vacuum of space without a container or barrier such as Sacred Scripture describes the firmament.


Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #372 on: May 09, 2023, 03:26:54 PM »
From Stephen Hawking's

BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME

CHAPTER 1 OUR PICTURE OF THE UNIVERSE well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: “What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.” The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, “What is the tortoise standing on?” “You’re very clever, young man, very clever,” said the old lady. “But it’s turtles all the way down!” Most people would find the picture of our universe as an infinite tower of tortoises rather ridiculous, but why do we think we know better? What do we know about the universe, and how do we know it? Where did the universe come from, and where is it going? Did the universe have a beginning, and if so, what happened before then? What is the nature of time? Will it ever come to an end? Can we go back in time? Recent breakthroughs in physics, made possible in part by fantastic new technologies, suggest answers to some of these longstanding questions. Someday these answers may seem as obvious to us as the earth orbiting the sun—or perhaps as ridiculous as a tower of tortoises. Only time (whatever that may be) will tell. As long ago as 340 B.C. the Greek philosopher Aristotle, in his book On the Heavens, was able to put forward two good arguments for believing that the earth was a round sphere rather than a flat plate. First, he realized that eclipses of the moon were caused by the earth coming between the sun and the moon. The earth’s shadow on the moon was always round, which would be true only if the earth was spherical. If the earth had been a flat disk, the shadow would have been elongated and elliptical, unless the eclipse always occurred at a time when the sun was directly under the center of the disk. Second, the Greeks knew from their travels that the North Star appeared lower in the sky when viewed in the south than it did in more northerly regions. (Since the North Star lies over the North Pole, it appears to be directly above an observer at the North Pole, but to someone looking from the equator, it appears to lie just at the horizon. From the difference in the apparent position of the North Star in Egypt and Greece, Aristotle even quoted an estimate that the distance around the earth was 400,000 stadia. It is not known exactly what length a stadium was, but it may have been about 200 yards, which would make Aristotle’s estimate about twice the currently accepted figure. The Greeks even had a third argument that the earth must be round, for why else does one first see the sails of a ship coming over the horizon, and only later see the hull?

Offline St Giles

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #373 on: May 09, 2023, 07:44:03 PM »
It does if you understand it, where the sun moves faster in the southern hemisphere, and the notion of the 24-hour sun in Antarctica has never been demonstrated.  In fact, the only two videos out there were demonstrably faked (cuts were made and exact cloud patterns repeated after 24 hours, etc.).  One of the things that needs to be studied are the arguments regarding the movement of the stars in the "southern" "hemisphere", and I've seen arguments from both sides but haven't had time to study the details.

I just know that the tests that have been conducted simply can't work on a globe, well, not a globe of the size they claim it to be.  Perhaps if the globe were much larger than we're told, but there's not a chance that these results could be obtained on a globe of the size they claim the earth to be.  Really the only answer might be that some other force, perhaps electromagnetism, somehow bends light perfectly around the globe, but no globe earther has ever proposed (much less demonstrated) such a thing.

Nor has there been an even remotely adequate explanation for how the planet could retain the atmosphere adjacent to the nearly-absolute vacuum of space without a container or barrier such as Sacred Scripture describes the firmament.
How about an angel holds the atmosphere from escaping? Will you accept that? Could God have just ordered nature such that the earth is a globe and the air doesn't escape?I think the scientists say helium and hydrogen do escape.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #374 on: May 09, 2023, 07:49:53 PM »
How about an angel holds the atmosphere from escaping? Will you accept that? Could God have just ordered nature such that the earth is a globe and the air doesn't escape?I think the scientists say helium and hydrogen do escape.

Well, I might in theory accept that an angel would hold it back, except that Sacred Scripture clearly describes the firmament as serving that function.