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What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.
25 (24.5%)
Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it
35 (34.3%)
Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told
33 (32.4%)
Other
9 (8.8%)

Total Members Voted: 93

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Offline Tradman

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #335 on: November 19, 2022, 03:15:47 PM »
Okay so a few questions then...

1.  Where is the edge of this finite space?


It is commonly held by both flat earthers and the Fathers that the periphery of the earth is flanked by mountains and/or ice shelves and said mountains/ice walls meet up with the lower part of the firmament on all sides.  There's a scripture passage in Job* to this effect. The reason no one goes there is because the outer regions are like the off limits mountains in the Old Testament.  Conditions are not hospitable to man.



According to the Bible, we live in a self-contained, three-tiered system {Heaven, Earth, Underworld}:
Job 1:7-8; 2:2-3; 37:12; 38:30-34; Gen. 28:12-17; Ex. 20:4; Num. 16:31-33; Deut. 5:8; 1 Sam. 28:13-14; 1 Chron. 29:11; 2 Chron. 6:4; Psa. 46:8-10; 113:6; 119:19; Isa. 14:9-11; 51:13-14; Joel 2:30; Amos 9:2; Luke 10:15; 16:19-31; Acts 2:19; Phil. 2:10; 1 Pet. 3:18-20; 2 Pet. 2:4-5; Jude 6; Rev. 5:3, 13; 9:1-11; 20:14
There is a solid firmament (dome/vault) over us:
Job 22:14; 37:18; Gen. 1:6-8, 20; Ex. 24:10; Psa. 104:2; Prov. 8:27-28; Isa. 40:21-22; 45:12; 66:1; Jer. 10:12; 51:15; Ezek. 1:22-26; Amos 9:6
God's throne sits above the heavens (waters):
Job 9:8; 22:14; 37:18; Deut. 26:15; Psa. 11:4; 29:3, 10; 33:13; 103:19; 104:2-3; 148:4; Isa. 40:21-22; 66:1; Jer. 10:12-13; Ezek 1:22-28; 28:2; Amos 9:6
The sun, moon and stars are in the firmament {and the stars shall fall to Earth}:
Gen. 1:14-18; Psa. 19:4-6; Isa. 34:4; Dan. 8:10; Matt. 24:29; Mark 13:25; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev. 6:13-14; 9:1; 12:4
There are “floodgates” (windows) in the firmament:
Gen. 7:11; 8:2; 2 Kings 7:2-19; Mal. 3:10
The Earth is inscribed in a circular (flat) fashion into something with 4 corners and surrounded by water:
Job 11:9; 26:10-11; 37:3; 38:12-18; Gen. 1:1-9; 49:25; Psa. 24:1-2; 72:8; 136:6; Prov. 8:27-29; Isa. 11:12; 13:5; 40:22; 41:8-9; 44:24; Ezek. 7:2; Dan. 4:10-11, Zech. 9:10; Matt. 4:8; 24:31; Rev. 7:1; 20:8
Earth is a geocentric, stationary world set on pillars:
Job 26:11; 38:4-6; Josh. 10:13; Psa. 19:4-6; 75:3; 104:5; Prov. 8:29; Ecc. 1:5; 1 Sam. 2:8; 2 Sam. 22:8; Joel 2:10; Zech. 12:1
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Corinthians 3:19
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. - Psalm 118:8




Christian Topography by Cosmas Indeocopleustes

Job 26:7. "He stretcheth out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon nothing."  In both, the dust of the earth is gathered into a square box, as in Job 38:38*. "When the dust runneth into a mass and the clods cleave fast together?" which relies on the Septuagint translation used by Constantine of Antioch: "He has included cleave to earth and that it has been poured out as the dust of the earth.

'I have welded it as a square block of stone.'  The use of the same verses suggests a common homiletic understanding of the biblical text as well as a shared conception of the structure of the universe.


Pg 125-127


According to Constantine of Antioch's homiletical interpretation, the verses from Genesis, Psalms, Isaiah, and Job provide a concrete understanding of the schematic model representing the pattern of the world.


Page 128

It is written: In the beginning God made the heaven and the earth. We therefore first depict along with the earth, the heaven which is vaulted and which has its extremities bound together with the extremities of the earth.  To the best of our ability we have endeavored to delineate it on its western side and its eastern: for these two sides are walls extending from below to the vault above.  There is also the firmament which in the middle is bound together with the first heaven and which, on its upper side has the waters according to divine scripture itself.






Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #336 on: November 19, 2022, 03:26:54 PM »






Yes, the notion of a pressurized atmosphere without a container and adjacent to a nearly-perfect vaccuм is to me a smoking gun that the NASA model is a lie.  There's simply no explanation for it whatsoever.  I've seen some lame attempts, but none of them come close to credibly explaining the phenomenon.

Now, if you look at the lightbulb above, that's an extremely weak vacuum.  I've seen demonstrations where a stronger vacuum inside of a steel railroad tanker car caused the it to get crushed as if it were a cheap beer can.  And the vaccuм of space (measured in torr) is orders of magnitude "stronger" than anything we've been able to reproduce here on earth.  And we're to believe that those pathetic astronaut suits could withstand that? ... though it's a separate issue.



Offline Sneedevacantist

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #337 on: November 19, 2022, 06:17:06 PM »
The true cosmology of the Earth isn't really that important to me, so I'll go with flat Earth because it makes soyence cultists seethe and froth at the mouth the most :trollface:

Offline Tradman

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #338 on: November 19, 2022, 07:22:44 PM »
The true cosmology of the Earth isn't really that important to me, so I'll go with flat Earth because it makes soyence cultists seethe and froth at the mouth the most :trollface:
Good enough. :laugh1:

Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #339 on: November 20, 2022, 03:56:26 AM »
How about we use the unanimous interpretation of the Church Fathers?

And exactly what was that Ladislaus?  That they unanimously believed in a physical firmament that kept physical waters above the sky from flooding the earth.' Doesn't the firmament or part of it that contains air that keeps the clouds above the Earth, as I said?