So, given the one opinion here of geocentrism with a smaller universe, I must say that I am bugged by the geocentrist position that concedes modern science's allegations regarding the size of the universe.
I ran the numbers to calculate the circuмference of the universe given the diameter. If the entire universe rotated around the earth once per day, then the objects at the outermost regions would be travelling at a rate of about 200,000,000 LIGHT YEARS PER MINUTE, or 3,333,333 LIGHT YEARS PER SECOND.
I know that some claim that, well, God can do anything. Of course. But would he violate what appear to be laws of physics, and make matter travel that much faster than the speed of light?
But how is it possible for items to move at 3,333,333 LIGHT YEARS PER SECOND.
Seems to me that if you're a geocentrist, you absolutely have to hold that the universe is much smaller than science claims. I think that even Donachie's numbers are way too big (you didn't give a size of the entire universe), and would still result on speed past the speed of light.
Does anyone know how Dr. Sungenis explains this?
I did download his book on Hildegard of Bingen (I don't accept "St." since her canonization was 2012 and therefore not worth the paper it was written on). I'm having a hard time finding the actual passage from Hildegard. Based on the subtitle, I was hoping there would be a separate complete text, but there's probably more "commentary" from one guy or another (and his own) than there is actual citations from Hildegard.
‘For which cause there sprung even from one (and him as good as dead) as the stars of heaven in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.’--- Douay Rheims, Epistle of St Paul to the Hebrews, 11:12.
Now who would like to venture a guess at the number of grains of sand in a teacup let alone by the sea shore? Such a contrast teaches us the omnipotence of God by star numbers and indeed by the space needed to accommodate these created bodies; as such numbers would need a universe of immeasurable distances for so many. In his book City of God (Vol. 1, Ch.23), St Augustine, 1200 years before Galileo’s sightings, addressed this very revelation:
‘But as for their numbers, who sees not that the sands do far exceed the stars? Herein you may say they are not comparable in that they are both innumerable. For we cannot think that one can see all the stars, but the more earnestly he beholds them the more he sees: so that we may well suppose that there are some that deceive the sharpest eyes, besides those that arise in other horizons out of sight.’ --St Augustine
‘What is utterly wonderful in the stars is how, even though they move with extreme speed and never stop from their rapid course, some moving in slower and others in faster orbits, still they always keep their measure and proportion with the others so that they give rise to a sweet and melodious harmony.’ ---Cardinal Bellarmine;
Once stellar parallax was found and said to be a heliocentric fact, they then claimed the distance between the Earth and these near stars showing annual parallax could be measured for certain. The 149.5 times 1,000,000km semimajor axis of the Earth’s orbit provides a base line for trigonometrically determining the distance of these near stars. This method, they claim, can measure stars up to 400 light years away. In the geocentric system, with the rotating universe showing its stellar parallax, there are no such angles with the sun to calculate distances. So, even their stellar distances can now be dismissed as mere assumptions they too are based on the assumption that heliocentrism is proven.
As for the distance of even further stars, well, here is what the experts tell us:
‘There is no direct method currently available to measure the distance to stars farther than [their heliocentric parallax assumption] 400 light years from Earth, so astronomers instead use brightness measurements. It turns out that a star's color spectrum is a good indication of its actual brightness. The relationship between color and brightness was proven using the several thousand stars close enough to earth to have their distances measured directly. Astronomers can therefore look at a distant star and determine its color spectrum. From the color, they can determine the star’s actual brightness. By knowing the actual brightness and comparing it to the apparent brightness seen from Earth they can determine the distance to the star.’ --- (Howstuffworks website)
The search for stellar parallax also assumes astronomers can tell whether a star is a near star or a far star. Now search as much as you like and you will not find anything specific. It seems modern cosmologists decide such nearness and farness by using yet another assumption; that near ‘parallax’ stars are brighter than far stars, which I suppose will be correct in most cases. The possibility that their brighter near-stars are actually far-stars that are intrinsically bigger and therefore more brilliantly lit, and that their fainter far-stars are actually nearer stars that are intrinsically smaller or less illuminated seems not to have bothered them. What, just for argument’s sake, if many visible stars reside at around the same distance from Earth, big ones and small ones, bright ones and faint ones, all together, just like different wattage bulbs attached to the roof of a large dark theatre? There are many possibilities that could explain why some bright stars and faint stars are not near stars or far stars. I throw this in just to show how presumptuous this science can be.
Star distances then remain unproven, another fact that makes Einstein’s space-time as a scientific fact redundant before he was born. Here again we have a case of trying to confirm something from a consequent when there are different movements that can cause such a consequent. That is like saying because an eclipse of the sun causes dark streets, then dark streets prove there is an eclipse of the sun. But try telling that to the highly paid Earthmovers and their science books.
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If you are a Big Banger heliocentrist like Popes since God knows when, Fr Scott and Fr Paul Robinson SSPX, then you have to follow their furthest and oldest star 13.5 billion light years away in time and distance. Thus you have to reject Genesis that revealed God made the stars visible to Earth and man at His Creation, thus there is no such 13.5 billion years old stars in the heavens.
The first object of astronomy was measuring time, begun, as Domenico Cassini recorded, by the first people to inhabit the Earth. Every measurement, from the watch on your hand to the calendar on your wall, is but a division of the sun’s movement, a day, a year, a century, a millennium. Of crucial importance in any sane and rational concept of created time is that it has to be universal, that is, all understanding of time must be the same for everyone. When we relate to the past, present and future, we must all have the same understanding of it. Fortunately, for most of us, apart from the space-time relativists that is, who think the cosmos is made up of different times the further out the stars are, this is how it is, and always will be. Dogmas held by the Catholic Church must surely need true time forming an absolute framework within which the material and spiritual events of heaven and Earth run their course in imperturbable divine order. Such at least, is demanded by the Christian intellect and is reflected in the Bible, and in scholastic philosophy theology and metaphysics.
Starlight and TimeBeginning with Einstein’s wacky Special Theory of Relativity, Genesis time entered the madhouse of modern cosmological theoretical space-time. First, they said that the stars were expanding and therefore there must have been an initial cause, a Big Bang explosion, ignoring that a geocentric movement, like that of a carousel in an amusement park could cause an expansion. Then they said the furthest star blasted out of the Big Bang was about 13.5 billion light years away, so it must have taken 13.5 billion years to get there, ‘proving’ the universe is 13.5 billion years old. Einstein then took the theory further. In his relativist universe, space and time are interchangeable. The further we look out at stars in space, the further back in time we are observing. Einstein was a Wellsian time-traveller, or, as it was said, “All time is eternally present.”
‘From a scientific perspective [which I hold], it [the universe] began its infancy at time 0, 13.72 billion years ago, it is now in its middle age and is heading towards old age billions of years in the distant future.’… Fr Paul Robinson SSPX.
If, however, the light from the sun, moon and stars, no matter their distances from Earth, those that we can see every day with the naked eye and through telescopes, were made instantly visible from Earth at His Creation, as revealed in Genesis 1:14-16 (And it was so done. And God made the two great lights…and the stars), then, on the word of God, no such delayed billions of years of star-times exist or ever existed. In other words, God created the universe with one time-zone directing all, a 24-hour Earth-universe time zone. Moreover:
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And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and upon the Earth distress of nations bewildered by the roaring of the sea and waves….; for the powers of heaven will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming upon a cloud with great power and majesty.’ --- (Luke: 21:25)
Try harmonising this prophesy with Einstein’s relativity’s space-time. If God were to make signs by way of the stars, as he prophesised, then, according to Einstein’s modern light-year timing, mankind would have to wait years to see them all ‘shake’ as the Bible says they will. Just as God made the stars visible from Earth at creation with no time-lag, so will He make their shaking visible to mankind at the end of the world, demonstrating His control of star-times.
Then there is the principle that things revolve to a centre. God created the stars and the sun in a rotating-door universe type, where the outer parts of the four doors (of sun and stars) move in rotation around its stationary axis the Earth. The next time you pass through a rotating door, watch it all turning together, all rotating at the same time, while seemingly moving at different speeds yet all turn in the same time. Such a universe would also account for a one universal time clock
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