This notion of firmament being “space” is both Modernistic and absurd. Clearly the Church Fathers unanimously believed that it was an actual substance, with some mentions of debates regarding what it was made of. So I am surprised to see cassini promoting the idea. He’s such a literalist about how the sun rising means that it moves and can’t be a matter of perspective and yet the firmament is space? Even Sungenis sees this, coming up with a theory about infinitely-dense matter. While that’s a stretch, he tacitly admits that the Fathers clearly did not believe that it was empty space. For them, it was something solid that keeps literal waters from inundating the earth. There’s absolutely no doubt about that.