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What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.
25 (25.3%)
Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it
34 (34.3%)
Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told
31 (31.3%)
Other
9 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 91

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #165 on: September 23, 2022, 03:47:34 PM »
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    • OK, here ... though it's not entirely clear what this Vergilius was actually teaching:

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01581a.htm
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    From a letter of Pope St. Zachary (1 May, 748), addressed to St. Boniface, we learn that the great Apostle of Germany had invoked the papal censure upon a certain missionary among the Bavarians named Vergilius, generally supposed to be identical with the renowned Ferghil, an Irishman, and later Archbishop of Salzburg. Among other alleged misdeeds and errors was numbered that of holding "that beneath the earth there was another world and other men, another sun and moon". In reply, the Pope directs St. Boniface to convoke a council and, "if it be made clear" that Vergilius adheres to this "perverse teaching, contrary to the Lord and to his own soul", to "expel him from the Church, deprived of his priestly dignity".

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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #166 on: September 23, 2022, 03:51:21 PM »
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    • That Catholic Encyclopedia article does have an interesting quote from St. Augustine that I don't recall seeing before:
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    They fail to notice that, even should it be believed or demonstrated that the world is round or spherical in form, it does not follow that the part of the earth opposite to us is not completely covered with water, or that any conjectured dry land there should be inhabited by men.
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    Offline Charity

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #167 on: September 23, 2022, 07:52:49 PM »
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    • As of today the current poll numbers are the following:

    What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

    Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.

    16 (25%)

    Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it

    22 (34.4%)

    Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told

    20 (31.3%) Other

    6 (9.4%)

    Total Members Voted: 64

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    Query as to what they would be if the poll was held on one of the more populated forums on CI.  I wonder if Matthew would allow it.
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    Offline Tradman

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #168 on: September 24, 2022, 07:42:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on September 23, 2022, 07:52:49 PM
    As of today the current poll numbers are the following:

    What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

    Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.

    16 (25%)

    Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it

    22 (34.4%)

    Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told

    20 (31.3%) Other

    6 (9.4%)

    Total Members Voted: 64

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    Query as to what they would be if the poll was held on one of the more populated forums on CI.  I wonder if Matthew would allow it.
    I'll guess the poll outside the fe forum would turn out 62% heliocentric, 25% geocentric, 11% flat earth, 2% other.        
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    Offline MariaImmaculata123

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #169 on: September 24, 2022, 10:32:52 AM »
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    • The earth is flat. It's in Scripture. And how sad that 25% of Catholics here believe "modern science" and its deceptions.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #170 on: September 24, 2022, 10:52:22 AM »
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    • Nah, I think it’s fairly representative.  Even though it’s in FE forum, it still shows up on the active topics list.  I would put those who didn’t vote in either the don’t know or don’t care categories.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #171 on: September 24, 2022, 10:55:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: MariaImmaculata123 on September 24, 2022, 10:32:52 AM
    The earth is flat. It's in Scripture. And how sad that 25% of Catholics here believe "modern science" and its deceptions.

    That part does bother me.  I get the geocentrists who are not FE ... but the number of people who uncritically accept modern science doesn’t bode well for Traditional Catholicism.  When neo-SSPX promotes Fr. Robinson’s Modernist book, you know it’s over for them.

    Science per se doesn’t mean Modernism of course, but to accept the claims of modern science requires doing violence to Sacred Scripture that is inevitably at least subtly Modernist even in the most conservative attempts.
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #172 on: September 24, 2022, 02:04:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: MariaImmaculata123 on September 24, 2022, 10:32:52 AM
    The earth is flat. It's in Scripture.

    Why do you think the Church has not condemned globe earth like they condemned helicoentrism?
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #173 on: September 27, 2022, 09:19:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on September 24, 2022, 02:04:04 PM
    Why do you think the Church has not condemned globe earth like they condemned helicoentrism?

    Hmm?  The silence seems deafening.  I didn't mean to kill the thread with that one simple question.
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #174 on: September 27, 2022, 09:23:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on September 24, 2022, 02:04:04 PM
    Why do you think the Church has not condemned globe earth like they condemned helicoentrism?
    For the same reason it didn't condemn evolution.
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #175 on: September 27, 2022, 09:26:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on September 24, 2022, 02:04:04 PM
    Why do you think the Church has not condemned globe earth like they condemned helicoentrism?

    Probably the same reason it hasn't condemned Darwinism.

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #176 on: September 27, 2022, 09:27:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: ServusInutilisDomini on September 27, 2022, 09:23:28 AM
    For the same reason it didn't condemn evolution.
    Ha! You beat me to it. :)
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #177 on: September 27, 2022, 09:29:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 24, 2022, 10:55:35 AM
    That part does bother me.  I get the geocentrists who are not FE ... but the number of people who uncritically accept modern science doesn’t bode well for Traditional Catholicism.  When neo-SSPX promotes Fr. Robinson’s Modernist book, you know it’s over for them.

    Science per se doesn’t mean Modernism of course, but to accept the claims of modern science requires doing violence to Sacred Scripture that is inevitably at least subtly Modernist even in the most conservative attempts.


    How do the geocentrists who are not FE account for the firmament in Sacred Scripture 23 times?
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #178 on: September 27, 2022, 10:02:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on September 27, 2022, 09:29:38 AM

    How do the geocentrists who are not FE account for the firmament in Sacred Scripture 23 times?
    The geocentric globalists pretend it isn't a tangible thing, that the term "firmament" is a casual reference to the air or the atmosphere.  But if disregard for the reality of the firmament isn't bad enough, I wonder where on their model all the water above the firmament is?  Genesis says all the water was divided, presumably in half, and some remained on earth and the rest was retained above the firmament. Again, too embarrassed to promote the idea of space water, the geocentric globalists prefer to believe scripture shouldn't be taken literally whenever it inconveniences their dangling space ball. 
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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #179 on: September 27, 2022, 10:49:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on September 27, 2022, 09:19:26 AM
    Hmm?  The silence seems deafening.  I didn't mean to kill the thread with that one simple question.
    Wow!  Happy to know the thread has suddenly come back to life again!
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