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What model do you believe most accurately describes the cosmos?

Modern Science:  earth revolves around barycenter of solar system as solar system moves through space, etc.
25 (25.3%)
Geocentrism:  earth is stationary, shaped like a globe, and the vast universe revolves around it
34 (34.3%)
Flat Earth:  earth is stationary, the surface we live on is flat, covered by a physical firmament, and the universe is closer than we're told
31 (31.3%)
Other
9 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 96

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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Cosmology Poll
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2022, 10:48:44 PM »
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  • Happens WAY too often on CI.

    It happens everywhere.  Such are the limitations of this medium.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


    Offline epiphany

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #16 on: August 20, 2022, 10:52:14 PM »
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  • It happens everywhere.  Such are the limitations of this medium.
    It should not happen on a trad Catholic forum.


    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #17 on: August 20, 2022, 10:56:50 PM »
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  • It should not happen on a trad Catholic forum.

    It did and it does.  I apologized.  I meant it.  Get over it.  Move on.
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    Offline Donachie

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #18 on: August 21, 2022, 02:44:12 AM »
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  • I honestly can't believe the flat Earthism here is real. How is it that a plane from Teniente Julio Gallardo Airport, which is near the very Southern end of Chile, can't take off and find the edge of the flat Earth and fly over it or inspect it for everybody to see the aerial photography? not to mention what we have today from satellites?

    Offline ServusInutilisDomini

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #19 on: August 21, 2022, 09:56:10 AM »
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  • I honestly can't believe the flat Earthism here is real. How is it that a plane from Teniente Julio Gallardo Airport, which is near the very Southern end of Chile, can't take off and find the edge of the flat Earth and fly over it or inspect it for everybody to see the aerial photography? not to mention what we have today from satellites?
    Are you that guy who thinks the Earth is round because a sphere is perfect and space is 3D?

    :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:


    Offline epiphany

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #20 on: August 21, 2022, 10:51:39 AM »
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  • Are you that guy who thinks the Earth is round because a sphere is perfect and space is 3D?

    :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
    So is belief in flat-earth a new requirement in order to be a trad catholic?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #21 on: August 21, 2022, 10:59:39 AM »
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  • So is belief in flat-earth a new requirement in order to be a trad catholic?

    Here's another one who has struggles with reading comprehension and logic.  Servus here is criticizing the REASONS that poster gave for the earth being a globe.  Nor did he even remotely imply that this was a "new requirement to be a trad catholic".  He's simply disagreeing with him on the issue, and he's entitled to do so.

    For pretending to be above all the "judgmentalism," you're reading several things into his post that simply isn't there.

    I'm really getting fed up with people who simply can't think or reason or properly comprehend things that are written.

    Offline Sefa

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #22 on: August 21, 2022, 11:23:53 AM »
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  • I believe the earth is a globe and fixed, not even spinning and is the center of the universe. The real center is hell, which is a physical place inside the earth, and encapsulates the infinitisimally small "black hole" of nothingness, the real real center, from whence the creatio ex nihilo procured all creation from. This seems the most beautiful model to me, therefore true.


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #23 on: August 21, 2022, 02:09:57 PM »
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  • I believe the earth is a globe and fixed, not even spinning and is the center of the universe. The real center is hell, which is a physical place inside the earth, and encapsulates the infinitisimally small "black hole" of nothingness, the real real center, from whence the creatio ex nihilo procured all creation from. This seems the most beautiful model to me, therefore true.
    That's about what I'd accept if the globe were without a doubt proven to me. And it makes sense as the lowest of all things falls to the "bottom" (or, center, in this case), which is hell.

    In the past I ridiculed the idea of hell at the center of the universe, but upon further reflection of the order of all things, and Dante, it does make sense to me. I just don't buy the globe anymore. 
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    « Reply #24 on: August 21, 2022, 02:32:02 PM »
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  • Here's another one who has struggles with reading comprehension and logic.  Servus here is criticizing the REASONS that poster gave for the earth being a globe.  Nor did he even remotely imply that this was a "new requirement to be a trad catholic".  He's simply disagreeing with him on the issue, and he's entitled to do so.

    For pretending to be above all the "judgmentalism," you're reading several things into his post that simply isn't there.

    I'm really getting fed up with people who simply can't think or reason or properly comprehend things that are written.
    Thanks, me too.

    Honestly, I'm not even going to respond to stuff like this anymore... I've seen from you how it sucks you into endless bickering.

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    « Reply #25 on: August 21, 2022, 02:33:59 PM »
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  • That's about what I'd accept if the globe were without a doubt proven to me. And it makes sense as the lowest of all things falls to the "bottom" (or, center, in this case), which is hell.
    Same. Maybe a circular dome around it too :D

    So we're 50/50 eh :D

    I'm concerned about the modern science fellas :fryingpan:

    Have you read anything about geocentrism? A good starter is Daly's analysis, that's what convinced me, I wasn't convinced by Sungenis' The Principle.


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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #26 on: August 21, 2022, 06:32:41 PM »
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  • So, given the one opinion here of geocentrism with a smaller universe, I must say that I am bugged by the geocentrist position that concedes modern science's allegations regarding the size of the universe.

    I ran the numbers to calculate the circuмference of the universe given the diameter.  If the entire universe rotated around the earth once per day, then the objects at the outermost regions would be travelling at a rate of about 200,000,000 LIGHT YEARS PER MINUTE, or 3,333,333 LIGHT YEARS PER SECOND.

    I know that some claim that, well, God can do anything.  Of course.  But would he violate what appear to be laws of physics, and make matter travel that much faster than the speed of light?

    But how is it possible for items to move at 3,333,333 LIGHT YEARS PER SECOND.

    Seems to me that if you're a geocentrist, you absolutely have to hold that the universe is much smaller than science claims.  I think that even Donachie's numbers are way too big (you didn't give a size of the entire universe), and would still result on speed past the speed of light.

    Does anyone know how Dr. Sungenis explains this?

    I did download his book on Hildegard of Bingen (I don't accept "St." since her canonization was 2012 and therefore not worth the paper it was written on).  I'm having a hard time finding the actual passage from Hildegard.  Based on the subtitle, I was hoping there would be a separate complete text, but there's probably more "commentary" from one guy or another (and his own) than there is actual citations from Hildegard.

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #27 on: August 21, 2022, 06:44:45 PM »
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  • For geocentrism to make a good case, imho, it can't concede Newtonian "gravity", or Einsteinian relativity, or the light years nonsense. Otherwise it'll get trapped in the heliocentric insanity which is a lot like Feral Rezerve Bank debt ... astronomical nonsense. The best place for geocentrism to start is to get the Earth and Moon details straight, then the other things fall in place.

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #28 on: August 21, 2022, 06:54:35 PM »
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  • Are you that guy who thinks the Earth is round because a sphere is perfect and space is 3D?

    :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
    Are you another idiot who thinks it's flat? because you're an idiot, of course. I mean that's why it's as flat as your brains. etc. :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

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    Re: Cosmology Poll
    « Reply #29 on: August 21, 2022, 07:00:50 PM »
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  • For geocentrism to make a good case, imho, it can't concede Newtonian "gravity", or Einsteinian relativity, or the light years nonsense. Otherwise it'll get trapped in the heliocentric insanity which is a lot like Feral Rezerve Bank debt ... astronomical nonsense. The best place for geocentrism to start is to get the Earth and Moon details straight, then the other things fall in place.

    I agree, and I have yet to see any real proof that the lights we see in the sky are actually stars (or suns).  I've seen very convincing evidence presented that the sun is not in fact a huge fusion machine, but is, rather, electrical in nature.  If the sun is electrical in nature, then everything else has been misinterpreted.

    If "science" can't get our "closest star" right, then how could they possibly be trusted to get it right about these other "stars".



    Then there was that professor whom in 1965 confidently asserted that the evidence proved without a shadow of a doubt that the moon is not a solid body but made of plasma.