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Offline happenby

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Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2018, 10:11:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 22, 2018, 11:44:02 AM
    By your twisted logic, if you reject Pythagoras' theories, you must also reject that the square of the hypotenuse of a triangle is equal to the squares of the other two sides. But that's demonstrable fact. So you have to literally deny reality and basic maths to fit your worldview, just because of your nonsense belief that because some of what someone said is false, everything they said must be false.
    Problem for you is, Scripture does not depict a globe in any manner.  Math proves the globe is false.  Science has also proven global theory false.  Curve has never been proven.  Water sticking to the outside of a sphere will never be proven.  NASA has been caught faking cgi video and graphics and moon landing to pretend earth is a globe.  Globalists reveling in their moniker are destroying every aspect of our world.  The Pythagorean doctrine is a false doctrine of pagan devils. 
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #16 on: April 23, 2018, 12:10:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on April 22, 2018, 10:11:47 PM
    Problem for you is, Scripture does not depict a globe in any manner.  Math proves the globe is false.  Science has also proven global theory false.  Curve has never been proven.  Water sticking to the outside of a sphere will never be proven.  NASA has been caught faking cgi video and graphics and moon landing to pretend earth is a globe.  Globalists reveling in their moniker are destroying every aspect of our world.  The Pythagorean doctrine is a false doctrine of pagan devils.  
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    I did not argue that the Earth was a globe you blithering idiot. I merely said that your logic was flawed, as you were stating that because some things Pythagoras said were wrong, that we must reject all his theories as untrue. But if we are to reject all his theories, then we are to reject that the square of the hypotenuse of a triangle equals the squares of the other two sides. But anyone who can perform basic maths can verify that theorem. Therefore not everything Pythagoras believed was wrong, and your command for us to reject all his theories is nonsensical and moronic. 
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #17 on: April 28, 2018, 09:30:14 PM »
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    A square park has a running track around it where people come to get exercise most days of fair weather. On the north side there is a water fountain alongside the track located x feet west of the northeast corner of the park. Jill and Nancy are running counterclockwise around the track together, when Nancy stops to get a drink at the fountain but Jill keeps running along the track. The track measures 3x feet from the fountain to the northwest corner, where Jill turns left and heads south on the track. Nancy decides to cut across the park and runs diagonally toward the southwest corner where she meets Jill, and they continue running together, east along the south side of the park. The two girls run at the same rate in all these situations. How far, in terms of x, was Jill east from the northwest corner when Nancy finished her drink and began to cut across the park to meet her?
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #18 on: April 28, 2018, 10:06:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on April 28, 2018, 09:30:14 PM
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    A square park has a running track around it where people come to get exercise most days of fair weather. On the north side there is a water fountain alongside the track located x feet west of the northeast corner of the park. Jill and Nancy are running counterclockwise around the track together, when Nancy stops to get a drink at the fountain but Jill keeps running along the track. The track measures 3x feet from the fountain to the northwest corner, where Jill turns left and heads south on the track. Nancy decides to cut across the park and runs diagonally toward the southwest corner where she meets Jill without stopping, and they continue running together, east along the south side of the park. The two girls run at the same rate in all these situations. How far, in terms of x, was Jill east from the northwest corner when Nancy finished her drink and began to cut across the park to meet her?
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    I should have provided some options ("/" means "divided by"):

    (A)  (square root of 3x) feet
    (B)  x feet
    (C)  2x feet
    (D)  (x)(square root of 3) /(2) feet
    (E)  0.5x feet
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #19 on: April 29, 2018, 12:23:14 AM »
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #20 on: April 29, 2018, 01:46:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on April 29, 2018, 12:23:14 AM
    E rev around S :fryingpan:
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    Wrong answer. Try again.  :ready-to-eat:
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    A square park has a running track around it where people come to get exercise most days of fair weather. On the north side there is a water fountain alongside the track located x feet west of the northeast corner of the park. Jill and Nancy are running counterclockwise around the track together, when Nancy stops to get a drink at the fountain but Jill keeps running along the track. The track measures 3x feet from the fountain to the northwest corner, where Jill turns left and heads south on the track. Nancy decides to cut across the park and runs diagonally toward the southwest corner where she meets Jill without stopping, and they continue running together, east along the south side of the park. The two girls run at the same rate in all these situations. How far     east, in terms of x, was Jill from the northwest corner when Nancy finished her drink and began to cut across the park to meet her?
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    ("/" means "divided by" ; (x)(3) means "x times three")

    (A)  (square root of 3x) feet
    (B)  x feet
    (C)  2x feet
    (D)  (x)(square root of 3) /(2) feet
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #21 on: April 29, 2018, 02:21:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 22, 2018, 11:44:02 AM
    By your twisted logic, if you reject Pythagoras' theories, you must also reject that the square of the hypotenuse of a [ right ] triangle is equal to the [sum of the] squares of the other two sides. But that's demonstrable fact. So you have to literally deny reality and basic maths to fit your worldview, just because of your nonsense belief that because some of what someone said is false, everything they said must be false.
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    It's the sum of the squares of the other two sides of a right triangle that equal the square of the hypotenuse. If you leave out "right" this doesn't work on let's say an isosceles triangle (a type of acute triangle) or an obtuse triangle. If you leave out "the sum of" you could be referring to their product or their difference or each of them considered separately, or you could mean to add them first and THEN square them, so then it would be a 3-4-7 triangle instead of a 3-4-5 triangle.
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #22 on: April 29, 2018, 05:56:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on April 29, 2018, 02:21:50 AM
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    It's the sum of the squares of the other two sides of a right triangle that equal the square of the hypotenuse. If you leave out "right" this doesn't work on let's say an isosceles triangle (a type of acute triangle) or an obtuse triangle. If you leave out "the sum of" you could be referring to their product or their difference or each of them considered separately, or you could mean to add them first and THEN square them, so then it would be a 3-4-7 triangle instead of a 3-4-5 triangle.
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    I didn't think I needed to word for word repeat what any 13 year old learns in school, even for a moron like Happenby.
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #23 on: April 29, 2018, 11:27:50 AM »
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    • Earth does NOT revolve around the sun. 

    Earth does NOT move. 

    De fide.
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #24 on: April 29, 2018, 02:59:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 08, 2018, 11:29:46 AM
    Your posts on this thread show that you think that the Church teaches that the earth is a globe. But she does not.

    If the Bible tells us nothing about the physical world, then why was Galileo condemned?

    Meg, just saw this thread again and some questions not answered. I will do that now.

    No I do not think the Church teaches the Earth is a globe. I swear to God I do not think or believe the Church teaches the Earth is as globe.

    When I wrote the Bible tells us nothing about the physical world I was imitating what most churchmen and Catholics of today believe after churchmen did a U-turn on the Church's 1616 decree. I believe the opposite.
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #25 on: April 29, 2018, 03:10:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on April 29, 2018, 02:59:18 PM
    Meg, just saw this thread again and some questions not answered. I will do that now.

    No I do not think the Church teaches the Earth is a globe. I swear to God I do not think or believe the Church teaches the Earth is as globe.

    When I wrote the Bible tells us nothing about the physical world I was imitating what most churchmen and Catholics of today believe after churchmen did a U-turn on the Church's 1616 decree. I believe the opposite.
    The Church Fathers who weighed in on the shape of the earth teach the earth is flat with a dome, and they base it on Scripture.
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #26 on: April 29, 2018, 03:13:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on April 29, 2018, 02:59:18 PM
    Meg, just saw this thread again and some questions not answered. I will do that now.

    No I do not think the Church teaches the Earth is a globe. I swear to God I do not think or believe the Church teaches the Earth is as globe.

    When I wrote the Bible tells us nothing about the physical world I was imitating what most churchmen and Catholics of today believe after churchmen did a U-turn on the Church's 1616 decree. I believe the opposite.

    Thanks for the clarification. 
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #27 on: April 29, 2018, 03:18:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on March 08, 2018, 11:46:43 AM
    THE COUNCIL OF TRENT
    ‘Furthermore, in order to curb imprudent clever persons, the synod decrees that no one who relies on his own judgement in matters of faith and morals, which pertain to the building up of Christian doctrine, and that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense that is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light. Let those who shall oppose this be reported by their ordinaries and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law.’ -- (Denzinger - 786)
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    No Fathers taught earth was a globe.  Several Fathers taught earth is flat.  You cannot teach contrary to the unanimous consent of what the Fathers taught.  
    Your statement proves the earth is not a globe, in and of itself, by those Fathers who taught earth is flat, and who, based on literal interpretation of Scripture, explained how the flat earth relates as a type to many things.  They showed how it relates to the metaphysical, to liturgy, to philosophy, and to cosmology.  Now, although some Fathers felt obligated to accept earth to be globe, no Fathers taught that earth is a globe, nor how the globe fits literally or even figuratively with Scripture. Nor how it might relate philosophically or metaphysically to liturgy or reality. No matter how you slice it, it's unanimous, according to the Fathers: Earth is not a globe.

    Happenby, the reason why I posted Trent above was to show all it is forbidden to insist on an interpretation of Scripture CONTRARY to that held by Mother Church. You can believe in a flat-earth as a good Catholic, but you, or anybody else, cannot insist it is Church teaching. The Church had never uttered a word about the shape of the Earth, whether it is flat or a globe. Yet you and others are trying to insist it is Church teaching based on your OWN JUDGEMENTS.
      
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #28 on: April 29, 2018, 03:22:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: WholeFoodsTrad on March 09, 2018, 05:03:16 PM
    This sounds like something you copied and pasted, WITHOUT GIVING CREDIT TO YOUR SOURCE OR ALLOWING ANY OF US TO CHECK YOUR SOURCES.  So, you should provide links to your sources.

    The quotes by Copernicus come from my copy of Copernicus's book De revolutionibus. The comments are my own.
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    Re: Copernicus's reasoning that the universe and the earth are global
    « Reply #29 on: April 29, 2018, 03:31:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on March 09, 2018, 05:17:53 PM
    Cassini: if the early Christians rejected Pythagoras's error of globe earth,  why don't you?

    That the Earth is a globe was the conclusion of ancient reasoning. Anaximander (610-546BC), pupil of Thales, is credited in Domenico Cassini’s book as being one of the first to represent the Earthly globe. Other philosophers claimed Pythagoras (570-495BC) was the first to teach the Earth is a globe. Throughout centuries of Pythagorean condemnations by the Church Fathers, never once did they even hint that the Bible depicts a flat Earth, as so many websites today are claiming. All saw the shape of the Earth as seen on the moon during an eclipse is always a full sphere. The shifting position of stars as man moved north or south also indicated to them the Earth as a sphere.
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