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Tradman · « **Reply #245 on:** August 17, 2022, 07:18:46 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 17, 2022, 06:52:00 PM

This citation is not correct. This is probably being said by someone specifically trying to explain again a possible reference to Flat Earth.

Even Dr. Sungenis agrees (speaking here about the "grasshoppers" passage)
Root of the word is just something that can roll. Could be a wheel or COULD be a sphere. By itself inconclusive either way.

Not sure how it's possible that a circle is ever spherical.

Isaiah 40:22 which speaks of God as the One sitting above the circle of the earth. This verse does imply that the earth is circular, but there is nothing either in the underlying Hebrew word (chug) or in the context which necessarily implies anything more than the circularity of the flat earth-disc which the historical context and Genesis 1 have given us as the meaning of. If Isaiah had intended to speak of the earth as a globe, he would probably have used the word he used in 22:18 (dur), meaning 'ball.' "

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Strong's Concordance

chug: vault, horizon
Original Word: חוּג
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: chug
Phonetic Spelling: (khoog)
Definition: vault, horizon
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from chug
Definition
vault, horizon
NASB Translation
circle (2), vault (1).

Brown-Driver-Briggs
חוּג [size=+1]noun [masculine] [size=+1]vault[/size]; — only of vault of the heavens חוּג שׁמים התהלך Job 22:14; בְּחֻקֿוֺ חוּג עלֿ תהום ׳פנ Proverbs 8:27; הישֵׁב עַלחֿוּג הארץ Isaiah 40:22.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
circle, circuit, compass
From chuwg; a circle -- circle, circuit, compass.
see HEBREW chuwg
Forms and Transliterations
וְח֥וּג וחוג ח֝֗וּג ח֣וּג חוג Chug ḥūḡ veChug wə·ḥūḡ wəḥūḡ
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Englishman's Concordance
Job 22:14
HEB: וְלֹ֣א יִרְאֶ֑ה וְח֥וּג שָׁ֝מַ֗יִם יִתְהַלָּֽךְ׃
NAS: And He walks on the vault of heaven.'
KJV: not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.
INT: cannot see the vault of heaven walks
Proverbs 8:27
HEB: אָ֑נִי בְּח֥וּקוֹ ח֝֗וּג עַל־ פְּנֵ֥י
NAS: When He inscribed a circle on the face
KJV: I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face
INT: he inscribed A circle on the face
Isaiah 40:22
HEB: הַיֹּשֵׁב֙ עַל־ ח֣וּג הָאָ֔רֶץ וְיֹשְׁבֶ֖יהָ
NAS: above the circle of the earth,
KJV: [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
INT: sits above the circle of the earth inhabitants

Ladislaus · « **Reply #246 on:** August 17, 2022, 07:57:24 PM »

Quote from: Tradman on August 17, 2022, 07:18:46 PM

Not sure how it's possible that a circle is ever spherical.

... because the world mostly means "round". You can say that a wheel is round, or you can say that a ball is round.

As your citation indicates, it can be use of the vault of heaven, which is shaped more like a dome.

Tradman · « **Reply #247 on:** August 17, 2022, 08:10:58 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 17, 2022, 07:57:24 PM

... because the world mostly means "round". You can say that a wheel is round, or you can say that a ball is round.

As your citation indicates, it can be use of the vault of heaven, which is shaped more like a dome.

Ok, but with regard to earth, the Hebrew provides a word to describe a ball or spherical object: dur. I think the objection to the notion of spherical heavens has to do with heaven being all around the earth, as in over the top and under the bottom of the globe.

Donachie · « **Reply #248 on:** August 17, 2022, 08:21:23 PM »

Quote from: Tradman on August 17, 2022, 07:18:46 PM

Not sure how it's possible that a circle is ever spherical.

... where you have two intersecting planes, like along the ecliptic where the Sun is setting in the West (descending) and rising in the East (ascending) around the Earth all the time, also at an inclined angle to the Equator, as it ranges back and forth from the tropics of Capricorn and Cancer.

If everybody is said to be on one side of the Earth, then it is meant that they are all on the surface. If the surface is flat or only two-dimensional in space, how is the Sun descending beneath the surface in the West and rising above it in the East all the time? The only way that works in 3-D is if it's a sphere.

Even the motion of a wheel is spherical or 3-D, since only if you look at it in full 3-D roatation do you gell the full picture of what's going. A full analysis of space requires 3-D rotation. That type of analysis makes any circle a sphere. When you look at the forward wheel rotation from the driver's side, it goes counter-clockwise. When you look at it from the passenger's side, it goes clockwise. When you look at it from above, it goes from top to bottom. When you look at it from below, it goes from bottom to top.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #249 on:** August 17, 2022, 11:00:02 PM »

Quote from: Tradman on August 17, 2022, 08:10:58 PM

Ok, but with regard to earth, the Hebrew provides a word to describe a ball or spherical object: dur. I think the objection to the notion of spherical heavens has to do with heaven being all around the earth, as in over the top and under the bottom of the globe.

But when it speaks of the vault or dome of the sky, it seems to use this word khug or chug. Perhaps that would an argument in favor of those Fathers who believed the earth was hemispherical (with a flat bottom) rather than a full globe or "ball" (dur).

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