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Offline ServusInutilisDomini

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #150 on: August 09, 2022, 12:38:48 PM »
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #151 on: August 09, 2022, 01:05:25 PM »
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  • You should be able to find someone unbiased in southern Australia or New Zealand to time their daylight hours, but a quick search shows pretty much the same daylight above and below the equator. Measuring at about 41 degrees either way showed 15:10 being the longest day. In the emperor penguin movie I saw a long time ago, antarctica definitely had a summer where much ice melted, and a winter with harsh blizzards below -100F. If there is any difference, maybe the specific path of earth's orbit is the cause. Also, Antarctica is supposed to be land, so having a higher elevation could both block some light from reaching as much surface, and it would be colder at higher elevations anyway.

    This problem cited by DL is not limited to Antarctica.  It's also true of various islands (compared to ones at similar latitudes in the Southern Hemisphere).  The differences in Southern Hemisphere climate manifest themselves well before getting to Antarctica proper.


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #152 on: August 09, 2022, 02:50:16 PM »
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  • This one is better. Here's info to accompany video:
    http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/06/south-pole-does-not-exist.html

    The South Pole Does Not Exist
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #153 on: August 09, 2022, 06:53:15 PM »
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  • Here's another clue that I find extremely telling.

    So the FE map is similar to what's known as the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection map:


    So the criticism from Globers about this map is that the Southern "Hemisphere" continents are way too large.

    But that is coming from people who are familiar with only the Mercator projection.  In fact, a new projection was released, the Gall-Peters projection map, precisely because they argued that the standard Mercator exaggerated the size of the Northern "Hemisphere" continents and minimized the size of the Southern ones (Africa, South America, and Australia).  They claim that this Galls-Peters projection more accurately reflects the relative sizes of the continents.



    Hmmm.  So suddenly South America, Africa, and Australia are a lot bigger (according to Gall-Peters, accurately so).  They do say that in making the continents true to size, they did a bit of violence to their shapes (all projections have to compromise somewhere).

    So all of a sudden, if you enlarge the continents like this, it suddenly looks a HECK of a lot more like Azimuthal Equidistant Projection from the North Pole.  No more problem with enlarged Southern continents.  And look again at the North Polar Azimuthal Equidistant.  Anybody looking at that will readily be able to recognize the various continents and would agree that they're relatively close to their true shape.

    But, now, let's look at an Azimuthal Equidistant map from the SOUTH Pole:



    Apart from the continents of the Southern "Hemisphere", the Northern "Hemisphere" is so badly distorted and warped as to make it completely UNRECOGNIZABLE.  If you cut out the Southern "Hemisphere" portion, nobody could tell you what that which remains represents.  And, no the problem isn't merely with the FAR north, but anything above the equator is completely warped and unrecognizable.

    Here's an online Azimuthal Map generator where you can center it anywhere you'd like. 

    https://maps.ontarget.cc/azmap/en.html

    Apart from pointing it to the North Pole, the only other place you could put it where you don't completely distort half of the total earth image is in Western Africa, but that's only because the Pacific Ocean is so large that it takes up most of the far half.

    This to me clearly indicates that the Azimuthal Equidistant Map is the closest map to reality, and the problem of the Southern continents being "too large" (despite being easily recognizable) is based on the inaccurate Mercator projection that everyone learned in school.  But if you compare it to Gall-Peters, well, it would seem that the relative proportions between the Northern and Southern continents is in fact ACCURATE.  But how could that be, when an Azimuthal projection from the North Pole should wildly distort things as you go south.  You would see the bottom of South America and Africa getting progressively WIDER as they went south, where the overall outline of the continents would cease to be recognizable.  So the southern portions of Africa and South America should get progressively "fatter", where the proportions of the Northern section vs. Southern section of those two continents most certainly would NOT be retained.  By the time you got to the southern portions of Africa and South America, they should be almost as wide (or "fat") as the northern parts, making them resembles more squares than retaining something very close to their true proportions.


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #154 on: August 09, 2022, 07:13:08 PM »
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  • I think a lot of people forget just how huge the continents in the southern "hemisphere" are. Honestly, I still think VoC is onto something with his Moon-continent projection theory. As the size of the continents in his model show the same accurate disparity of southern continents being far larger than northern continents.

    There's also this old map from the link Cera posted above that expresses the reality of the world
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #155 on: August 09, 2022, 07:31:43 PM »
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  • Another interesting point of note that I came across in O'Hanlan's excellent
    The Earthmovers, was in chapter 5 discussing the early Astronomers Ptolemy and Hipparchus:

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    For example, if the sun moved in a perfect circle around the Earth, and at a constant speed, then it should retain the same apparent size and apparent speed at all times. But the fact is, as careful and accurate measuring shows, the sun does not retain the same apparent size; as it measures bigger and smaller during its annual orbit around the Earth. The ancients, however, were committed to all celestial orbits following a divine law of perfect circles and constant speed. - p. 86

    Now, these astronomers devised the Eccentric system to compensate for this. But, alternatively, I thought back to the circuit of the sun over the earth and how it would appear smaller to those in the north when it is in the circuit toward the south, and vice-versa when in the north. It suggests, to me, that the eccentric could be due to the spiral-like shift as the sun moves from north to south along the tropics during the year.

    Secondarily, it shows that the sun is not some massive body millions of miles away, but local and smaller than the earth; as a small shift of a few degrees of the earth on its "axis" would not change the perceptible size of the sun. This works for both FE and geocentrists.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #156 on: August 09, 2022, 07:37:52 PM »
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  • O'Hanlon thinks the Earth is flat?

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #157 on: August 09, 2022, 07:40:52 PM »
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  • O'Hanlon thinks the Earth is flat?
    No.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #158 on: August 09, 2022, 07:50:18 PM »
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  • I think a lot of people forget just how huge the continents in the southern "hemisphere" are. Honestly, I still think VoC is onto something with his Moon-continent projection theory. As the size of the continents in his model show the same accurate disparity of southern continents being far larger than northern continents.

    There's also this old map from the link Cera posted above that expresses the reality of the world


    They "forget" because everyone grew up looking at the Mercator projection map, which shrunk the Southern continents.  Thanks to political correctness, LOL, someone felt that it was racist (favoring white Europeans) to minimize the Southern hemisphere, and so they came up with Gall-Peters, which actually claims to restore the Southern continents to their actual size.  This is a great map above in your post.

    But why then does a North Pole Centric Azimuthal Projection come up with something very close to what Gall-Peters assert as the accurate size of the Southern continents?  They should by all rights be distorted toward their Southern parts so that they would largely lose their familiar and recognizable outline and shape.

    And, yes, I agree that there's definitely something to the earth-moon projection theory.  I've seen where someone went to the trouble of finding earth locations on the moon image, and darn if they don't line up very closely with places and features on the earth.

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #159 on: August 09, 2022, 08:05:33 PM »
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  • I agree, that was a GREAT video.
    I don't remember seeing it, even though I downloaded (and skimmed/watched) the entire "Taboo Conspiracy" Youtube channel of Dubay's.

    What am I missing? Does Dubay have another channel or something?
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #160 on: August 09, 2022, 08:15:37 PM »
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  • Secondarily, it shows that the sun is not some massive body millions of miles away, but local and smaller than the earth; as a small shift of a few degrees of the earth on its "axis" would not change the perceptible size of the sun. This works for both FE and geocentrists.

    THIS^^^.  While it's always possible for atmospheric moisture to magnify the sun/moon as they get closer to the horizon, the sun in particular (and even the moon to a slightly lesser extent) would not noticeably shrink in size as it closes in on the horizon.  Nor would the couple million miles difference given the elliptical orbit they came up with result in a noticeable difference (perhaps a couple percent).

    But there are videos over dry regions (deserts) which show the sun getting noticeably SMALLER as it moves toward the horizon.  Really the only thing that would cause it to get smaller is that if the air above you had more moisture, so that as you looked up, the sun would be magnified due to atmospheric moisture, but then the air would get dryer as the sun approached the horizon, but I see that as being extremely unlikely.  And some of the videos that show the sun getting larger as it seems to approach are taken from the amateur balloons that are well above the clouds, where you wouldn't expect such differences in humidity.  These same videos show hotspots on the tops of the clouds.  Could that be some optical illusion?  I honestly don't think so.  There's the well-known phenomenon of the optical illusion that if you look at the sun across a body of water, it would appear that there's line of sunshine coming right at you across the water.  But no matter where you move, that beam or ray appears to follow you.  But that phenomenon would be the opposite of what we're seeing with the hotspots.  I've never seen an explanation from the Globers about how those hotspots could possibly exist if the sun is in fact 93 million miles away.



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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #161 on: August 09, 2022, 08:18:38 PM »
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  • And, yes, I agree that there's definitely something to the earth-moon projection theory.  I've seen where someone went to the trouble of finding earth locations on the moon image, and darn if they don't line up very closely with places and features on the earth.
    Yes, that's Vibes of Cosmos, who I've been revisiting a lot lately. His model also provides "other lands" identified within the moon projection which honestly gives more credence to the "other lands" theory of FE because he actually has some concrete proof thanks to his theory about the moon map.

    Now, my theory regarding why some of these other lands aren't around any longer (Lemurya, Atlantis, etc.) is that the projection of the moon is the foundations of these continents and islands. Therefore, if they were buried and submerged by the Deluge; that would not remove the imprint they leave on the "moon map" plasma projection. Secondarily, since they reside beyond the apparent Antarctic ice wall, it could be suggested that they constitute the frozen lands some speculate to reside beyond Antarctica and the circuit of the sun; specifically what he calls "Terra Vista". But, this gets into the more speculative end of FE, which, apart from what VoC presents and the proofs that the Convex earth crew presents, has very little basis.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #162 on: August 09, 2022, 08:19:53 PM »
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  • I agree, that was a GREAT video.
    I don't remember seeing it, even though I downloaded (and skimmed/watched) the entire "Taboo Conspiracy" Youtube channel of Dubay's.

    What am I missing? Does Dubay have another channel or something?

    Taboo Conspiracy is not actually Dubay.  I forget his last name, but it's run by some gentleman named Ben.  I've e-mailed him and gotten a response back.  I've also e-mailed and gotten a response back from David Weiss.

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #163 on: August 09, 2022, 08:22:21 PM »
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  • But there are videos over dry regions (deserts) which show the sun getting noticeably SMALLER as it moves toward the horizon.  Really the only thing that would cause it to get smaller is that if the air above you had more moisture, so that as you looked up, the sun would be magnified due to atmospheric moisture, but then the air would get dryer as the sun approached the horizon, but I see that as being extremely unlikely.  And some of the videos that show the sun getting larger as it seems to approach are taken from the amateur balloons that are well above the clouds, where you wouldn't expect such differences in humidity.
    Couple that with the fact that air is thinner at higher altitudes, and the "atmospheric moisture" explanation honestly goes out the window.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #164 on: August 09, 2022, 08:36:37 PM »
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  • Now, my theory regarding why some of these other lands aren't around any longer (Lemurya, Atlantis, etc.) is that the projection of the moon is the foundations of these continents and islands. Therefore, if they were buried and submerged by the Deluge; that would not remove the imprint they leave on the "moon map" plasma projection. Secondarily, since they reside beyond the apparent Antarctic ice wall, it could be suggested that they constitute the frozen lands some speculate to reside beyond Antarctica and the circuit of the sun; specifically what he calls "Terra Vista". But, this gets into the more speculative end of FE, which, apart from what VoC presents and the proofs that the Convex earth crew presents, has very little basis.

    He got the term "Terra Vista" from the famous Urbano Monte map ("Terra de Vista").