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Offline Donachie

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #135 on: August 07, 2022, 09:44:51 PM »
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  • Where the ice wall (Antarctic ring) meets the Firmament.
    Sunrise and sunset depends upon where the sun is in its circuit and your location.


    I have doubts if this is an attempt at an honest answer, unless you don't understand the subject, which is okay if you don't understand anything that I've been saying.

    Sunset and sunrise do depend on location and where the Sun is in its circuit (in 3-D space) around the Earth; and further, they are always around the Earth, as are all the hours of the day, in overall equally distributed proportions to all the surface of it, which upon further analysis will show that it is a sphere, as space itself is full of spheres.

    In a plane surface all points are not equally related to the origin of the plane at the center. However, in a sphere all points on the surface are equally related to the point of origin at the center, and so the fundamental spherical equality continues on and on into outer space even from the surface. Not so for a flat Earth since the sun crosses the Earth in total and complete circular orbits at the inclined angle of the ecliptic ... around and around.

    To flat Earthers sunrise and sunset might seem like added proof for the flat Earth, and that's where edge and the day come to an end, of course.


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #136 on: August 08, 2022, 12:11:57 AM »
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  • If Salvador Dali believed in the flat Earth, I wouldn't think less of him. He was a creative thinker and so forth. The flat Earth isn't a heresy as far as I know and I don't think it ever will be.

    It's saying that the Earth is not established by the almighty and that it flies around the Sun that is the heresy.

    However, just to get the geometry of the astronomy and celestial motions straight, the inclined angle of the ecliptic along which the Sun travels is always representing a 3-D intersection in space. In regard to it and the stars, all of which orbit the Earth every day, there are altitude, azimuth, and ascension. Three in 3-D to map the skies. Flat Earth folks may want to describe the Sun as "orbiting" the Earth when they just mean to say that it circles around in a plane of azimuth and some ascension. That way there's not a funny buckling or crimping around the edges of the day if the thing actually went "underneath". 

    Azimuth is the North South relation, ascension the East West. Or at least that's how I remember it at this time. God bless the Unitty States Gubbament of Bigtime DC, and one day let's get the truth and the money back from ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA and Wall Street of the Feral Rezerve Bank scam, etc.


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #137 on: August 08, 2022, 07:17:20 AM »
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  • Welp, Youtube declares the earth is not flat.  So that settles it!

    Apparently even researching the topic is daaaaaaannnnngerous.


    "Our goal is to promote authoritative content"

    Umm....by whose authority might that be?

    YouTube's Official Flat Earth Suppression Policy


    Exchange between Juniper Downs (YouTube Public Policy & Government Relations Global Head) and Rep. Ted Deutch on July 17, 2018 at a House Judiciary Committee hearing.
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    Thanks Youtube, for telling me what to think!  Where would I be without you?
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #138 on: August 08, 2022, 07:38:25 AM »
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  • Where is the flat edge? At sunrise or sunset? At the full Moon or the new Moon or the quarter Moon? Where and when do the hours go around the flat edge?

    There are different hypotheses for the "model" but the "model" (which is hypothetical and based on conjecture, since FE don't have the scientific apparatus behind them to prove any of it) is distinct from the facts and the evidence.

    There are myriad examples of when things can be seen too far given the globe curvature math.  I have yet to see any convincing explanation for this.  Globers simply pull out the word "refraction" as their deus ex machina to get out of the jam, but it's never been proven, and in fact I find it preposterous for numerous reasons.  And that's all it is, a word, but they've never proven that it is or even can be responsible for the observations.

    Heck, if someone claimed that light bends around the curvature of the earth due to gravity or some other phenomenon that would be consistently present, I would pay attention.  But "refraction" is a complete joke, an act of desperation by the brainwashed globers who apply it with confirmation bias.  But it's simply ludicrous to any thinking person.  I'd be willing to look at an argument that the earth is a globe but it's 50x larger thane we're told, thus accounting for the "see too far" phenomenon.

    But refraction is a joke.  It cannot explain the clarity of these images, nor the consistency with which they're obtained, nor can it explain why the earth/water bulge that is allegedly between the viewer and the target object is magically just erased, whereas it too should be refracted back, causing distortion as different layers of the refracted view would overlay on each other.  We have real examples of refraction, and they're always distorted.  And refraction is destroyed by the two-way laser experiments.  In order for light to follow exactly the curvature of the earth, it would have to encounter an ever-increasing density gradient.  But if it encounters an ever-increasing gradient in one directly, it would be decreasing when coming in the other direction, and thus would refract the light upward.  You can't have it both ... when you're talking about two lasers at the same elevation and just a couple yards apart.

    I'm still waiting for an actual coherent explanation for all the "see too far" experiments from the globers ... and all you get is "refraction", "yep, refraction".  Bullshit.  And you know it's bullshit.

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #139 on: August 08, 2022, 09:39:08 AM »
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  • Wow, this video above was a masterpiece. What a setup. Getting public sympathy for manipulation. She's talking about how virtuous Youtube is, seeking 'authoritative' content only.  Whatever that means. Sounds like an admission explaining why they employ mind control and keep information from the public they don't approve of. He accepts it though, and moves on making sure everyone knows they are talking about the worst content on Youtube, that of "conspiracy theorists". Not pornography, or LGBT, or government propaganda like race theory, nor cօռspιʀαcιҽs that Youtube deems worthy. No. Flat earth conspiracy is firmly established as the lowest of the low and in need of control.  He says he wants to know how they control this horrible content, not discerning what the measure is for that control. Moving quickly past all this iffy stuff, he questions her about Youtube's 'trustworthy' endeavors in this process of control, then cuts her off to show how serious he is about making this look official. They do such a beautiful job accomplishing their goal of making Youtube look virtuous. After she admitted that they hide videos by demoting them, she puts the real emphasis on saying that 'counterfactual' videos get a little box of information near them. She makes it sound so normal, so conscientious, so minimal. It's normal that they provide Hitler's little mind control box of 'factual' information under the video, if and only if, you can even find said video they deemed unacceptable. Ignoring the extent of the manipulation they just admitted to, he makes sure the message intended for this whole thing is complete: "So you put a little box to say nope, the earth is not flat". 


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #140 on: August 08, 2022, 10:00:09 AM »
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  • Wow, this video above was a masterpiece. What a setup. Getting public sympathy for manipulation. She's talking about how virtuous Youtube is, seeking 'authoritative' content only. 

    Yeah, Jєωgle and Jєωtube are all about serving and enlightening humanity, and preserving them from error.  :laugh1:

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #141 on: August 08, 2022, 11:02:40 AM »
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  • Yeah, Jєωgle and Jєωtube are all about serving and enlightening humanity, and preserving them from error.  :laugh1:
    Yea, the saying is: "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by ignorance”.  These days, it's more like, "Never ascribe to ignorance that which can be explained by malice."

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #142 on: August 08, 2022, 12:57:52 PM »
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  • .
    "It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in."
    [Isaias (Isaiah) 40:22]

    http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=27&ch=40&l=22#x
    Revelation 7:1
    After these things, I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that they should not blow upon the earth, nor upon the sea, nor on any tree.
    https://biblehub.com/revelation/7-1.htm
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #143 on: August 08, 2022, 09:44:15 PM »
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  • Another thing I have to question about the globe model is why Antarctica does not experience a mild summertime like the Arctic? Since the Sun is proven to shift 23.5 degrees north and south throughout the year, equally casting its warmth and light to each "hemisphere", then the antipodes of the "globe" should have equivalent seasons.

    But they don't. The Arctic experiences mild summers and harsh winters, but the Antarctic only experiences harsh winters year-round. The "wobble" of the earth in the heliocentric model doesn't sufficiently explain this, as it would mean that the "tilt" on the earth's "axis" is more than 23.5 degrees to the north during summertime. And geocentric GE's also have to account for this as well. As, if the earth is globular, then the northern circuit and the southern circuits of the sun are equidistant and there should be an equal dispensation of light/heat on both paths of the sun's circuit.

    Yet, in the FE model, this is due to the fact that the sun moves faster in the southern regions (i.e. those on the outer circuмference) because it is the longer circuit and its light and heat does not have as much time to effect the environment as it does in the shorter circuit of the arctic, northern region closer to the center.
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #144 on: August 08, 2022, 11:23:43 PM »
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  • Another thing I have to question about the globe model is why Antarctica does not experience a mild summertime like the Arctic? Since the Sun is proven to shift 23.5 degrees north and south throughout the year, equally casting its warmth and light to each "hemisphere", then the antipodes of the "globe" should have equivalent seasons.

    But they don't. The Arctic experiences mild summers and harsh winters, but the Antarctic only experiences harsh winters year-round

    Homey said, "Bullsh*t!" on the GE nonsense...

    Where is super-genius M79?  Surely he has an opinion about FE/GE??  Has anyone ever met an intelligent man who had no opinion on an important matter?

    Why don't any of his fan-boys hold his feet to the fire?  Why don't you?
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #145 on: August 09, 2022, 12:13:40 AM »
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  • Another thing I have to question about the globe model is why Antarctica does not experience a mild summertime like the Arctic? Since the Sun is proven to shift 23.5 degrees north and south throughout the year, equally casting its warmth and light to each "hemisphere", then the antipodes of the "globe" should have equivalent seasons.

    But they don't. The Arctic experiences mild summers and harsh winters, but the Antarctic only experiences harsh winters year-round. The "wobble" of the earth in the heliocentric model doesn't sufficiently explain this, as it would mean that the "tilt" on the earth's "axis" is more than 23.5 degrees to the north during summertime. And geocentric GE's also have to account for this as well. As, if the earth is globular, then the northern circuit and the southern circuits of the sun are equidistant and there should be an equal dispensation of light/heat on both paths of the sun's circuit.

    Yet, in the FE model, this is due to the fact that the sun moves faster in the southern regions (i.e. those on the outer circuмference) because it is the longer circuit and its light and heat does not have as much time to effect the environment as it does in the shorter circuit of the arctic, northern region closer to the center.
    You should be able to find someone unbiased in southern Australia or New Zealand to time their daylight hours, but a quick search shows pretty much the same daylight above and below the equator. Measuring at about 41 degrees either way showed 15:10 being the longest day. In the emperor penguin movie I saw a long time ago, antarctica definitely had a summer where much ice melted, and a winter with harsh blizzards below -100F. If there is any difference, maybe the specific path of earth's orbit is the cause. Also, Antarctica is supposed to be land, so having a higher elevation could both block some light from reaching as much surface, and it would be colder at higher elevations anyway.
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #146 on: August 09, 2022, 10:45:13 AM »
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  • You should be able to find someone unbiased in southern Australia or New Zealand to time their daylight hours, but a quick search shows pretty much the same daylight above and below the equator. Measuring at about 41 degrees either way showed 15:10 being the longest day. In the emperor penguin movie I saw a long time ago, antarctica definitely had a summer where much ice melted, and a winter with harsh blizzards below -100F. If there is any difference, maybe the specific path of earth's orbit is the cause. Also, Antarctica is supposed to be land, so having a higher elevation could both block some light from reaching as much surface, and it would be colder at higher elevations anyway.
    Although I didn't do these particular experiments with people in Australia, I did conduct several where they, and others, located all around the world, got together at the same time to watch the moon.  Funny that we all saw it at the same time, describing it's position, where the craters were for each person who were literally on opposite sides of the "globe" from each other.  It was a fascinating experience and it's easy to find people online who will do such experiments and even go into greater depth to find a lot more answers.  

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #147 on: August 09, 2022, 11:02:52 AM »
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  •  having a higher elevation could both block some light from reaching as much surface, and it would be colder at higher elevations anyway.
    You raise an interesting question. Why is it colder at higher elevations? Why is it so hot at low elevations like Death Valley? Higher elevations are closer to the sun.
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #148 on: August 09, 2022, 11:13:11 AM »
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  • You raise an interesting question. Why is it colder at higher elevations? Why is it so hot at low elevations like Death Valley? Higher elevations are closer to the sun.
    I was pondering the same thing myself. I wonder if the Firmament itself is extremely cold? Perhaps it's like a form of super-hard permafrost derived from the waters above? That might explain why, outside of the sun's circuit, the Antarctic ice ring is as cold as it is since it is the territory where the Firmament is theorized to meet the earth. Obviously, we also know that the air is thinner at higher elevations, which leads to lower temperatures since there's less particles to react thermally as well.
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #149 on: August 09, 2022, 11:23:02 AM »
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  • Where is the flat edge? At sunrise or sunset? At the full Moon or the new Moon or the quarter Moon? Where and when do the hours go around the flat edge?
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