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Offline Miser Peccator

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #105 on: August 06, 2022, 10:12:55 PM »
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  • But perhaps if the flights would be priced reasonably, then they could fill the plane.  Heck, if I lived in South Africa and wanted to go to South America, I'd definitely try to fly up to Angola and then connect over there, thereby cutting 15-20 hours of my travel time ... if it were reasonably priced.  I would think there would be high demand if it were reasonably priced.  Let's say a normal ticket would be $1,000 (for a flight they expect to be nearly full), then they could make the same margin if the Angola flight were just a quarter full at $4,000.  So the price is a vicious circle that way.  Question is why there isn't enough demand for such a flight to be able to bring the price down to reasonable levels when the only other alternative I have found is to double your flight time by going through Europe.  Although maybe there's something we don't know about Angola or the airline, where perhaps there's a 10% chance of getting murdered in Angola ... or the pilots are incompetent.  Who knows?

    But I found it shocking that it's the ONLY flight I could find that allegedly crosses the Atlantic from South Africa to South America.  There are tons of flights to South America that fly through Europe.  That suggests that there's definitely a market for a decent number of direct flights across the Atlantic.  Heck if I were a billionaire, I would see that as a huge business opportunity to fill the gap.
    Why are fast food restaurants and other chain stores so cheap?  Volume.  They offer cutthroat prices and have very minimal profit but make up for it in volume.  Unique, hand made items that are not mass produced always cost more because they are not in demand but the business has to charge more simply to eek out a profit.  Supply and demand is how pricing works.


    And I understand.  These were all questions I asked too when I worked in the industry.  I used to have flight attendant/employee meetings with the president and CEO of our Airline and they informed us of upcoming business decisions.  This included discussions of opening new markets in the Pacific Rim area and elsewhere, applying for future routes to be awarded, applying for gate space at airports, the effects of fuel costs on the bottom line, new aircraft to be added to the fleet....etc. etc.  

    It's pretty complicated actually.

    The thing is:

    Is there a Hub in Angola?
    Was the Airline awarded a flight route from Angola to South America?  They have to petition for these and they can take years to be awarded.
    Do they have gate space at each airport?  You have to rent gate space and it is often limited.  Sometimes you have to wait years to get an open gate to rent.
    Do they have crew schedules to support the flight?  Crew scheduling is unbelievably complicated.
    Do they have hotel contracts to provide overnight stays for the crew?
    Do they have mechanical and provisional (meals/drinks/cleaning/amenities)  support at each destination?
    Do they have to interview and hire workers to provide for all of these services on an ongoing basis?  What is the cost?  What is the reliability?
    Does including these destinations allow for the mandatory maintenance schedule of the aircraft at a full service hub?
    Will the flights be full on a regular basis?  Are people in Angola clamoring to go to South America and are people in South America clamoring to go to Angola?
    And much more...

    Add up all the costs and the demand for service and see if it's even feasible for one thing and will it make a profit for another.

    So there is much more than mere fuel costs to consider.

    I'm not saying I don't have questions about commercial flight routes in the Southern Hemisphere, it's just that it's kind of a dead end when trying to debate Flat Earth because there are always other explanations that can be offered.

    The actual flight patterns when en route over the Northern Arctic is very strange however.  Definitely out of the way and a fuel waster.

    Also why they never go over Antarctica as a short cut is very strange indeed. They talk about not flying too far because of refueling for safety reasons, yet fly over the Pacific, and they talk about extreme cold but routinely fly over the Northern Arctic etc...
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #106 on: August 06, 2022, 10:55:46 PM »
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  • Good.  Your Modernist garbage is not wanted here among actual Catholics.  And, no, I'm not referring to the fact that you believe the earth is a globe, but your overall attitude of derision against geocentrists or against anyone, really, who doesn't bow down before the idols of modern science, and your overall disdain for Sacred Scripture.  Begone.
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    Wrong.  The real reason this CathInfo is a waste of my time is this:
    when I provide a proof for a concept, you always say "I don't accept that"
    and offer a proof for the opposite view. 

    It's not that I really dislike yous guys.  It's just that you can disagree with
    whatever I say.  It's your ego against my proofs.  It's not ego for me.  It's
    logical reasoning based on Astronomical facts. 

    And then, you say "It's not facts".  Who is the arbitrator in these arguments?
    I have about as much success with Protestants, because they say, "That's not
    the way we see it".

    The idea of flat earth is so insane, that it's hard for me to stay calm when
    arguing that.  The same for Geocentrism. 

    So, Lad, you are a pretty smart guy, in all other areas.  I just don't have that
    much time to waste on proofs, for which people say, "I don't believe it". 

    Do you have a cell phone?  Isn't that provided by evil modern science?
    Do you drive a car?  Same thing.  Use a computer?  Same thing.

    How many hours of the day do spend on CathInfo?
    How many people have you saved with your flat earth and Geocentrism?

    I'm wasting my time again. 

    My disdain for Sacred Scripture?  These are my websites:

    http://drbo.org  and http://summa-theologiae.org

    I created it. HTML, CSS, C++, search algorithms.

    Pax tecuм.


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #107 on: August 06, 2022, 11:01:51 PM »
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    Wrong.  The real reason this CathInfo is a waste of my time is this:
    when I provide a proof for a concept, you always say "I don't accept that"
    and offer a proof for the opposite view. 

    It's not that I really dislike yous guys.  It's just that you can disagree with
    whatever I say.  It's your ego against my proofs.  It's not ego for me.  It's
    logical reasoning based on Astronomical facts. 

    And then, you say "It's not facts".  Who is the arbitrator in these arguments?
    I have about as much success with Protestants, because they say, "That's not
    the way we see it".

    The idea of flat earth is so insane, that it's hard for me to stay calm when
    arguing that.  The same for Geocentrism. 

    So, Lad, you are a pretty smart guy, in all other areas.  I just don't have that
    much time to waste on proofs, for which people say, "I don't believe it". 

    Do you have a cell phone?  Isn't that provided by evil modern science?
    Do you drive a car?  Same thing.  Use a computer?  Same thing.

    How many hours of the day do spend on CathInfo?
    How many people have you saved with your flat earth and Geocentrism?

    I'm wasting my time again. 

    My disdain for Sacred Scripture?  This is my website:

    http://drbo.org

    I created it. HTML, CSS, C++, search algorithms.

    Pax tecuм.
    I like your site and use it often.

    Can you please explain what the firmament is?

    It's referred to 23 times in the Douay.

    What is your explanation for what they are describing?


    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #108 on: August 06, 2022, 11:08:41 PM »
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  • I like your site and use it often.

    Can you please explain what the firmament is?

    It's referred to 23 times in the Douay.

    What is your explanation for what they are describing?
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    I'm not going to argue with you about that.
    Believe whatever you want, but remember, the Bible is not
    a science textbook.

    I don't have time to stay on CathInfo for hours every day.
    Thanks for the compliment.




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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #109 on: August 06, 2022, 11:24:46 PM »
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  • Anyone ever notice that M79 never says anything about FE/GE?  Kinda strange, no?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #110 on: August 06, 2022, 11:29:26 PM »
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    I'm not going to argue with you about that.
    Believe whatever you want, but remember, the Bible is not
    a science textbook.

    I don't have time to stay on CathInfo for hours every day.
    Thanks for the compliment.

    Okay, but I'm not much of a debater really.  I'm more of a researcher.

    I like to research all sides of a topic and sift through new evidence as it becomes available.  

    If the evidence challenges my beliefs or makes my "heroes" look bad, so be it.

    My ego doesn't depend on the results and there are no "winners" or "losers" really.

    Only truth and the pursuit thereof.

    I'll be okay either way. :)

    So I am just really curious what people think the Bible was referring to when it discussed the firmament again and again.



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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #111 on: August 06, 2022, 11:37:54 PM »
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  • Okay, but I'm not much of a debater really.  I'm more of a researcher.

    I like to research all sides of a topic and sift through new evidence as it becomes available. 

    If the evidence challenges my beliefs or makes my "heroes" look bad, so be it.

    My ego doesn't depend on the results and there are no "winners" or "losers" really.

    Only truth and the pursuit thereof.

    I'll be okay either way. :)

    So I am just really curious what people think the Bible was referring to when it discussed the firmament again and again.
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    I agree with Pope Leo XIII, who said that the Bible was written in the words of the time when it was written.
    Firmament meant something to those people at that time.  It has no scientific or factual meaning to me.
    I have not seen anything in my life, reading or looking, which the word "firmament" means anything.

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #112 on: August 06, 2022, 11:49:05 PM »
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    I agree with Pope Leo XIII, who said that the Bible was written in the words of the time when it was written.
    Firmament meant something to those people at that time.  It has no scientific or factual meaning to me.
    I have not seen anything in my life, reading or looking, which the word "firmament" mean anything.
    So you prefer the Kabbalah Ein Sof, Big Bang, ever expanding universe?

    It seemed "firmament" meant something to NASA founder Wernher Von Braun.  He referenced a Bible passage about the firmament on his tombstone.


    Also, have you researched Operation Fishbowl?



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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #113 on: August 07, 2022, 12:03:25 AM »
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  • So you prefer the Kabbalah Ein Sof, Big Bang, ever expanding universe?

    It seemed "firmament" meant something to NASA founder Wernher Von Braun.  He referenced a Bible passage about the firmament on his tombstone.


    Also, have you researched Operation Fishbowl?
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    Kabbalah?   No.
    Operation Fishbowl?  No.

    I agree with Fr Scott's explanation of Genesis, Creation, Geocentrism.

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #114 on: August 07, 2022, 12:52:58 AM »
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    Kabbalah?  No.
    Operation Fishbowl?  No.

    I agree with Fr Scott's explanation of Genesis, Creation, Geocentrism.
    Well you and Father Scott agree with Kabbalah rather than Sacred Scripture.  Research the Ein Sof  (Big Bang ever expanding universe).

    And check out Operation Fishbowl.  Pretty interesting name, huh?  You have to dig to find stuff though, it's censored in many places.



    Hmm...is that why rockets always lean over shortly after takeoff?


    And there are links below this video to CIA, NASA, and Army docuмents that reference a flat non rotating earth and the firmament:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Smx3OJrpk3Hs/



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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #115 on: August 07, 2022, 02:06:06 AM »
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  • Seeing the Earth is the same as seeing space. You see half of it, which is the half of a sphere. You only ever see half an orange, half a volley ball, etc., or half of the depths of space. It's the same with space, which is spherical too, as it is with the Earth. People are only ever seeing parts of a half ... half of a sphere ... and half of a half and so on.

    People see and understand things by virtue of division and comparison. Understanding works just like eyesight which is through division and comparison. The division and comparison process is spherical and people always see only half at a time or for an instant. People don't take eye exams in two dimensions or flatland. There is the sphere of the mind, the sphere of the soul, and the sphere of space and creation, and the Earth, all in relation to the infinite, and all of which relate to it(infinity) and the problem of infinite regress in 3-D.

    The eyeball, which is mostly composed of water, is not flat, and neither are any drops of water around the Earth, which is also mostly composed of water. Actualization of things in space is always 3-D, which is spherical. It's only human analysis that makes things two dimensional or flat, like a painting, etc. But the 3-D space fully and totally surrounds the painting, which is only flat in comparison. It's still present in 3-D as well as whatever people figure about it.

    Since the Earth is present in 3-D, it fits that it's spherical just like space itself, which is that way because of the relation to the infinite, which is not obtained through infinite regress. Things in space are precipitated and precipitation is spherical.


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #116 on: August 07, 2022, 07:19:57 AM »
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  • Wrong.  The real reason this CathInfo is a waste of my time is this:
    when I provide a proof for a concept, you always say "I don't accept that"
    and offer a proof for the opposite view. 

    Ridiculous.  You pasted in a link and claimed "here's proof".  Your contribution was to gratuitously allege that your link proves the point.  Someone else posted a counter-video link.  So you're just going to paste a link, claim it's poof, and then demand that someone post a 5-page post going through every line in the video and refute each point, or otherwise declare victory.

    It's very clear that you've made up your mind beforehand and that you're not going to even LOOK at the counter-arguments, which I have spent pages upon pages elaborating.  To which you simply post a link and declare victory.  Get lost.

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #117 on: August 07, 2022, 07:23:11 AM »
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    I agree with Pope Leo XIII, who said that the Bible was written in the words of the time when it was written.
    Firmament meant something to those people at that time.  It has no scientific or factual meaning to me.
    I have not seen anything in my life, reading or looking, which the word "firmament" means anything.

    You agree with (your distortion of) Leo XIII because you want to.  You have no use for the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture.  Take your Modernism with you and get out of here.  How is it exactly that you're a Traditional Catholic?  Just like smells and bells?

    So the word "firmament" means nothing to you ... despite the fact that it was repeatedly mentioned by the Holy Spirit in Sacred Scripture, and it meant a great deal to the Church Fathers.  Your hubris is breathtaking.  That paragraph above is one of the most blatantly Modernist things I've ever seen posted here.

    cassini cited Pope Benedict XV rejecting your false interpretation of Leo XIII, but you must not "agree with" that.  You agree with what you want to agree with.

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #118 on: August 07, 2022, 07:40:16 AM »
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  • Well you and Father Scott agree with Kabbalah rather than Sacred Scripture. 
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    I disagree.  Scripture does not make definitive scientific statements
    about the science of astronomy.  The word "center" is NOT is the Bible.
    The word "universe" is NOT in the Bible.  

    Believe what you want.  I don't care.

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #119 on: August 07, 2022, 07:58:46 AM »
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  • You agree with (your distortion of) Leo XIII because you want to.  You have no use for the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture.  Take your Modernism with you and get out of here.  How is it exactly that you're a Traditional Catholic?  Just like smells and bells?

    So the word "firmament" means nothing to you ... despite the fact that it was repeatedly mentioned by the Holy Spirit in Sacred Scripture, and it meant a great deal to the Church Fathers.  Your hubris is breathtaking.  That paragraph above is one of the most blatantly Modernist things I've ever seen posted here.

    cassini cited Pope Benedict XV rejecting your false interpretation of Leo XIII, but you must not "agree with" that.  You agree with what you want to agree with.
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    Can you recommend a PROFESSIONALLY run Catholic discussion forum
    in which the members are not mean condemning rude name-calling people?
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    Believe what you want, about what a scientific textbook the Bible is about
    Astronomy.  It will not matter at you particular judgment.
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    Well, nobody has ever explained, with a reasonable explanation, how the
    distance stars can travel 6,000 times the speed of light to go around the
    earth in 24 hours.  And that's just the tip of the iceberg of things that
    cannot be explained by Geocentrism.

    Your proofs are equivalent to "God can do it" and "this magic unmeasured
    force explains how the whole universe can go up and down 74 million miles
    two times during an earth year". 

    Why don't you call me some more names and ban me from CathInfo.  That's
    OK with me.  That does not hurt me.  It just hurts your reputation as being
    a Catholic.

    Did you see my website, http://drbo.org ?

    Do you care to admit you were wrong about my disdain for the Bible?

    Then why should I debate anything with you?