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Offline St Giles

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2022, 01:34:25 PM »
As far as I know, the problem with viewing venus is that it is so close to the sun that it never gets very high in the sky without daylight appearing. Anything in space is best viewed high in the sky, so there is the least amount of atmosphere distorting the view, and in cold weather and high altitudes for less distortion. Then you want to view it when it is physically close to earth in its orbit, but that would mean it is casting a shadow and may be hard to see. Taking all that into consideration, it still takes a good quality large scope (minimum 4-6" diameter) with a high magnification lens to clearly see a planet. Then, the problem becomes getting enough contrast to see anything other than a bright ball. Our eyes are the best chance of seeing such detail and contrast because cameras and display screens have a low dynamic range, meaning there's little difference between light and dark.

Jupiter when it is closest to the earth, if that happens during the winter, is the best one to look at, but I still struggle to make out any details with my 4" diameter telescope. The mirror is getting cloudy on it, and the highest magnification lens doesn't provide as clear of an image as the lower magnification lenses; a problem even microscopes have.

I just found this video. He comments on using a filter, which he doesn't have, to get better details. I think this is a good representation of what one can expect from a big-ish telescope using a camera. If I'm correct, he's just viewing IR with that filter, so no color image and I don't think IR focuses very sharp.
https://youtu.be/d49TPvlwAtU?t=154

Offline Matthew

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2022, 01:44:50 PM »
Yeah, if I were rich I'd like to get a nice telescope and test out some of this stuff personally.

You'd be surprised how gullible people are, when they WANT to be/stay deceived.

I know a man who's a near-genius at electronics -- Dave Jones, of EEVblog fame -- he really knows his stuff -- but he unironically likes (and believes in) that recent NASA photo of the moon crossing the earth. He had it as his PC background wallpaper.

Having cast off the Faith of his Fathers, he is now wandering in the wilderness, the closest thing to religion in his life is "science".  He does debunk some modern climate-saving "snake oil" schemes like Solar Roadways, but that's only because they give other science-worshipers like himself a bad name. Kind of like many Trads get hot and angry over other Trads that give them a bad name. That seems to be a very human condition.


Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2022, 01:50:02 PM »


I just found this video. He comments on using a filter, which he doesn't have, to get better details. I think this is a good representation of what one can expect from a big-ish telescope using a camera. If I'm correct, he's just viewing IR with that filter, so no color image and I don't think IR focuses very sharp.
https://youtu.be/d49TPvlwAtU?t=154
Thanks
Hmm...I wonder if my friend was actually showing me a star instead of Venus. ??

Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2022, 02:24:40 PM »
Miser, Venus looks nothing like that through a decent scope lol. I have a 12" scope and am in a Bortle ~1 area (one of the "darker" places in terms of night sky in North America) so I can see it very clearly at times. I am guessing this guy is in Bortle 3+ with perhaps the wrong pieces altogether for what he is trying to observe. Add on top of that whatever seeing conditions (low altitude other things) and you can replicate that video :laugh1:

Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #74 on: August 04, 2022, 02:28:06 PM »



Funny song:  there ain't no photographs of earth
5min 19 sec





I apologize.  I just rewatched this video---it's been a while since I saw it first---and it has "G da**" and some vulgarity.  :/

I remembered it made good points about the fact that if NASA was taking photos of Pluto and other things so very far away, why couldn't they just take a photo of Earth?

But I forgot about the other so I'm sorry about that!