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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2022, 03:41:29 PM »
3. No Father of the Church ever cites scripture to prove earth is a globe.

True, although some Fathers did think it was a globe, and that their conception was not irreconcilable with Sacred Scripture.  Nevertheless, I do believe that further study is warranted in terms of what they meant.  It's easy to take a sentence out of context.

I think it was St. Hildegard who described the earth as a globe.  Someone cited a passage.  OK, fine.  But then if you look later, she elaborates and what she actually meant was more along the lines of those pictures that DL has posted (along with others).  She said nobody can live on the antipodes (underside of said globe) because that's where "the deep" is and also the entrance to Sheol.

Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2022, 03:56:40 PM »
True, although some Fathers did think it was a globe, and that their conception was not irreconcilable with Sacred Scripture.  Nevertheless, I do believe that further study is warranted in terms of what they meant.  It's easy to take a sentence out of context.

I think it was St. Hildegard who described the earth as a globe.  Someone cited a passage.  OK, fine.  But then if you look later, she elaborates and what she actually meant was more along the lines of those pictures that DL has posted (along with others).  She said nobody can live on the antipodes (underside of said globe) because that's where "the deep" is and also the entrance to Sheol.
Exactly. Which is why I question just what these Fathers and Medieval Theologians meant by "globe" because you get varying ideas of it which does not at all coincide with what we see as the "globe" today.


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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2022, 04:20:38 PM »
Otherwise, the best way I can describe it is that he believes most of what NASA puts out except with a geocentric and young earth flavor. 

I recall an interview he gave about his book.  He did agree that NASA has put out some obvious hoaxes, and so decided to prescind from arguing on the basis of any NASA "evidence".  He also did dismiss some of the facile anti-FE arguments, such as "if the earth is flat, why can't you see Europe from the US East Coast?"  He agreed that the atmosphere would make it impossible to see that far.  So I detected a fair bit of intellectual honesty.  I have not had a chance to read his book about FE.  He did also say that he started out believing he could dispatch FE with a few pages but then conceded that FEs have some very strong and very solid arguments, and that he ended up having to write a several-hundred page book.  This is what I've been pointing out all along as one of the main reasons that FE is spreading.  There is some really solid evidence in favor of FE to be dismissed lightly.  Simple derision and a wave of the hand does not suffice to make those problems simply go away.  That and also the arrival of the Nikon P900 camera, where many people could suddenly perform experiments themselves, and they kept finding the same results.  P900 went on the market in early 2015, and it's in 2015 that Dubay's videos started to make the rounds.  Marion asserted that it was a psy-op to discredit geocentrism since Sungenis had tricked some Jew into appearing on the program.  Of course, he had zero evidence to back that up ... just pure speculation.  FE was not invented in 2015 to discredit Sungenis.  It's been around a very long time, from some Church Fathers, through a resurgence in 19th century England, to the original Flat Earth Society (which has now been co-opted).  And it does really square with the fact that Big Tech have been aggressively attempting to suppress it.

Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2022, 04:29:44 PM »
I have Sugenis's book on FE, but have yet to read it since it is around 800 pages in length. I'm happy that someone has taken FE seriously in that regard and attempted to respond to the claims. I know after reading Protestant Edward Hendrie's book that he notes Sugenis' tends to be dismissive of arguments against refraction and the evidence offered by long-distance photography. So I'll have to dig into Sugenis' book to see why he was so dismissive.

Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2022, 04:37:43 PM »
Considering that much of modern cosmology is based upon Jєωιѕн Kabbalah, I question why you would even make such a statement?

If we're going to go that route, we might as well say all of Scripture is a deception because it came from the Jєωs. Or the Catholic Faith even since it came from Jesus of Nazareth, a Jєω.
My apologies for interrupting the fascinating topic with this rhetorical question which demands a new topic (but I am sure it has been done to death over the years here on CI: Why on earth would you accept the falsehood that all of Scripture ... came from the Jєωs and that Jesus of Nazareth was a Jєω?

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