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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2022, 09:07:25 AM »
This guy isn't a FEarther, but he excoriates StarLink as a fraud


Yeah, OFC it is a venture capital grab. I agree 100%. Although if I am getting scammed... Starlink is literally my only internet option that supports the job for this household needs (I need good ping and decent bandwidth... Real world applications I get around 100mbps daytime and 400mbps nighttime never a ping over 50ms worldwide) and I cannot use Dish, HughesNet or whatever other options instead due to latency and issues with weather. I live roughly 10 miles from the nearest 3G signal (1 bar, assuming I am on top of this certain hill 10miles away) and my nearest 4G signal is 25+ miles away in a small town. There is no way for me to get scammed here because my income would be 0 without Starlink. I am not moving my family into a city just to work and have decent internet. This video doesn't cover the science, just points we all agree on.

No one has provided me an explanation of the pings I get, let alone why my worst pings are not to the tip of South America/Africa, as they should be on FE. I can make a call to nearly anywhere and get ~30ms ping. You asked this and some additional related questions for me to other FEers and I can't get an answer. 

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #61 on: August 04, 2022, 09:17:01 AM »
Consider also, how easy it is to disprove a flat earth. NASA needs to provide just one genuine picture of the Earth, or film a flight over Antarctica, or photograph curvature, etc.

Problem with a NASA photo is that we'd never be able to independently verify that it's real.  But, yes, I've said this before, a circuм-aviation (with observers and under controlled conditions) would be able to debunk the common FE model.  And it would be doable for a tiny fraction of what NASA spends every single day.  Videos of the alleged 24-hour sun in Antarctica have been conclusively proven to have been faked / edited.  Why bother to fake them if there's a REAL 24-hour sun?


Offline Matthew

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #62 on: August 04, 2022, 10:52:08 AM »
Flat Earthers don't even have to provide a conclusive model, they just have to demonstrate it is not contradictory and it wins by default because it is according to the literal interpretation of Scripture.

I still have some questions about FE but I've found the globe debunked many times over in these couple of weeks of research.

Consider also, how easy it is to disprove a flat earth. NASA needs to provide just one genuine picture of the Earth, or film a flight over Antarctica, or photograph curvature, etc.

But every time they provide supposed evidence it ends up being falsified.

Long story short, the burden of proof is on the globetards and they haven't delivered.

That's the thing: they haven't JUST "not delivered". They were caught faking. Repeatedly. WHY?!  

WHY!?!?!?!?!?!

If the globe earth is the truth, then why all the bullshit? Why all the scams? Why all the trickery and fakery? 

If you hired a man to build you a house in another state, and every time you asked for progress reports you caught him faking it -- sending fake photos off the Internet, lying in various ways -- would you conclude your house is actually being built? Or would you rightly conclude that you can kiss (whatever money you gave the scammer) goodbye?

When you catch the powers that be (NASA, etc.) going to elaborate pains to produce lying propaganda, you know they're hiding the truth. It's that simple.

You can be *morally* certain of it: people don't lie for no reason. They don't spend tons of time, money, and effort creating elaborate hoaxes just for fun.

They did this with the search for the Missing Link (between apes and men) in the 20th century. Many hoaxes. Because evolution is false, but they desperately wanted to prop it up as true.

Offline Matthew

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #63 on: August 04, 2022, 10:59:46 AM »
It's common sense, but I can't underline this point enough.

I would never, in a million years, waste a dollar or even 5 minutes producing faked footage that I live in the country. I would simply step out on my front porch and take pictures. It would be that simple. There are plenty of ways to prove something *which is true*. No need for staged events, hoaxes, propaganda, and other trickery.

As a sidenote, I also wouldn't get bent out of shape about morons who *directly opposed to all evidence* claim that I live in a big city, despite all the photos of me and my family living in rural Texas, property tax records, etc. I wouldn't be putting up "fact checker" notices, censoring/banning people, etc. because A) the number of such morons would be almost non-existent; no one would have any motive to claim something so crazy, unless they were literally insane, and B) the truth would speak for itself. I would be secure, as opposed to insecure, knowing that I'm resting on the truth, which is like a firm bedrock that isn't going anywhere.

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2022, 11:07:15 AM »
This guy isn't a FEarther, but he excoriates StarLink as a fraud


I haven't watched the video, nor do I know anything about StarLink. But I want to make one, off-the-cuff, uninformed comment (take it for what it's worth).

There is obviously SOME degree of marketing nonsense involved: just look at the name. Star Link.

I assure you, no "stars" are involved in your super-duper Internet connection. And it's not some 24th century Star Trek equivalent of the Internet where various star systems are linked together in a vast network.

Sorry to disappoint, but the whole thing is all very much close to Earth.

That doesn't prove anything, just that they're not afraid to fluff it up a bit, at least in the marketing wankery department. They're trying VERY HARD to evoke "Sci-Fi" vibes, to make you think they're super special, almost breakthrough in nature. Color me doubtful.