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Offline Tradman

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Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
« Reply #225 on: August 13, 2022, 05:45:24 PM »
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  • It seems to me the Earth has uniform depth to everything on the surface. About 3963 mile radius to the center.

    Besides depth, consider the convergence of it, since depth is a kind of convergence. In "Meteorology" Aristotle mentions three principal kinds of motion: from the center, to the center, around the center, that exist in the elements and their patterns. The weather is full of patterns of convergence and the Earth is like an element that formed through convergence and condensation out of these three basic elemental motions, and that's why it most naturally was created as a sphere.
    It seems? How do they know it is 3963 miles to the center if they've only been able to dig 8 miles down?  

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #226 on: August 13, 2022, 05:51:58 PM »
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  • It seems to me the Earth has uniform depth to everything on the surface. About 3963 mile radius to the center.

    But modern science claim that the earth does NOT have a uniform depth, but rather has a lager radius at the equator than it does at the poles.

    From nasa.gov:
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    The Earth is almost, but not quite, a perfect sphere. Its equatorial radius is 6378 km, but its polar radius is 6357 km

    There goes "perfection".


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #227 on: August 13, 2022, 05:54:56 PM »
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  • It seems? How do they know it is 3963 miles to the center if they've only been able to dig 8 miles down? 
    Math n stuff.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #228 on: August 13, 2022, 07:32:39 PM »
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  • But modern science claim that the earth does NOT have a uniform depth, but rather has a lager radius at the equator than it does at the poles.

    (It seems? How do they know it is 3963 miles to the center if they've only been able to dig 8 miles down?)  

    From nasa.gov:
    There goes "perfection".
    They say that it's an "oblate spheroid" due to lateral forces from the so-called force(s) of gravity around the Earth and its surface, etc. This how they try to say that it has squeezed-in polar caps and an equatorial bulge, but it is false. There aren't lateral forces from "gravity" around the surface of the Earth and the Earth is not moving to orbit the Sun. It is a perfect sphere.

    Elcano completed Magellan's circuмnavigation of the globe back in 1522, 22 years before Copernicus published his erroneous book. Drake circuмnavigated it later. Others have circuмnavigated it too, so gradually they were able to figure its dimensions with greater accuracy, also as a sphere, having circuмference and radius. to be very general, as there are six cosmic directions in space, if you say six times radius you get circuмference. If you divide circuмference by six you get radius.

    Before that they were able to figure the Moon is something about 60 Earth radii away, so there goes the number 6 once more which is essential in the universal relation of space.

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #229 on: August 13, 2022, 08:00:47 PM »
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  • Besides stage wires on the Moon, the "Moon rocks" ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic controlled NASA gave the Dutch turned out to be petrified wood.



    As they used to say in the old Roman Law, "falsus ad lunam, falsus porro ad PLuto ... falsus". And people who don't know which way the Moon goes, sure aren't landing on it.


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #230 on: August 13, 2022, 08:18:29 PM »
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  • They say that it's an "oblate spheroid" due to lateral forces from the so-called force(s) of gravity around the Earth and its surface, etc. This how they try to say that it has squeezed-in polar caps and an equatorial bulge, but it is false. There aren't lateral forces from "gravity" around the surface of the Earth and the Earth is not moving to orbit the Sun. It is a perfect sphere.

    Elcano completed Magellan's circuмnavigation of the globe back in 1522, 22 years before Copernicus published his erroneous book. Drake circuмnavigated it later. Others have circuмnavigated it too, so gradually they were able to figure its dimensions with greater accuracy, also as a sphere, having circuмference and radius. to be very general, as there are six cosmic directions in space, if you say six times radius you get circuмference. If you divide circuмference by six you get radius.

    Before that they were able to figure the Moon is something about 60 Earth radii away, so there goes the number 6 once more which is essential in the universal relation of space.
    Math for that hypothesis may be correct if earth is a globe.  What if it isn't?  In other words, the math isn't proof, it's a formula that attempts to explain a theory.     

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #231 on: August 13, 2022, 08:32:43 PM »
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  • Math for that hypothesis may be correct if earth is a globe.  What if it isn't?  In other words, the math isn't proof, it's a formula that attempts to explain a theory.   
    They do have math fummdiddles, and Einstein had his share; but it seems the flat Earth isn't as simple as it could be or not simpler than Salvador Dali and turtles all the way down. I mean it seems to get funny pictures and infinite regress stints. 

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #232 on: August 14, 2022, 05:43:19 PM »
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  • It is 100% physically certain that the flat earth model is false. This is because, in the most basic and fundamental elements of its design, it posits numerous events that are physically impossible.

    The FE model is as certainly false, as it is certain that a rock thrown into the air will fall back to the ground.

    Firstly, it is physically impossible for a moving object to move in a circle unless there is a force continuously drawing it towards the center of that circle to overcome its inertial momentum that makes it move in a straight line. Yet the FE model posits that the sun and moon move in a circle in the air above the earth. While the globe earth models all posit the heavenly bodies moving in a circle around the earth, the sun, or other things, this is because of the gravitational pull of the earth (sun) that is the force drawing the orbiting body continuously towards the center of its orbit. But FE proponents vehemently reject the notion of universal gravitation and assert that the only such force is that which pushes objects towards the surface of the earth. Thus, they posit that the sun and moon move in a circle with nothing to keep them off a straight line as they move, which is impossible.

    Secondly, flat earthers claim that the sun and moon move across the surface of the earth, without positing any explanation for this movement. This is likewise against another observable law of physics, which is that an object does not move unless it is caused by something to move.

    Thirdly, FE states that the sun and moon move through the atmosphere, and have been doing so since the beginning of time without the slightest loss of speed even due to air resistance. This is because FEers likewise vehemently deny the existence of any vacuum in outer space, in fact deny outer space as a whole. But any object that moves through this atmosphere is subject to air resistance and to continually slowing down. And yet over 6,000 years of human history the sun and moon have not slowed down to even the slightest degree, which proves that they are not moving through the air nor subject to air resistance, as flat earthers claim.

    Fourthly, FE claims that sun moves in a spiral orbit on a yearly basis to cause the seasons. But they have no explanation for what pushes the sun outwards in its path towards "Antarctica", nor for what causes it to come back towards the north pole, nor why whatever is causing it to move towards Antarctica, for example, doesn't push it all the way out of our atmosphere completely, and why that force stops and even reverses on the solstic/equinox, and then reverses back again six months later. All of these things are impossible in themselves.

    Fifthly, FE proponents (actually, just a few people who make YouTube videos) claim that a magnifying lens in a camera, telescope, or pair of binoculars is able to make something visible which was previously hidden behind another object. They claim that when the bottom of a ship's hull is hidden behind a mass of water, that a lens will make it visible. This is impossible because a magnifying lens only takes an image already visible and makes it larger; it does not reveal something blocked from view by another object. And yet it is an observable fact that ships' hulls do disappear behind the surface of water as they disappear. Thus, the simple explanation of these YouTube videos is that they simply take a video of a ship at a great distance, where it is visible to the naked eye but too small to be visible in the footage, and then magnify the image in the footage so that it looks like it appeared from nowhere. It's really bizarre to see those videos of people denying something that human beings have been observing for as long as ships have existed, and seek to explain it away by proposing something even more preposterous, which is that a ship that has the lower half hidden behind water will become entirely visible with the help of a lens. The same thing goes for the sun setting over a body of water, when the lower half of the sun is hidden by the surface of the water while the upper half is visible and gradually sinks behind the water. FE asserts that the water is somehow blocking the observers' view of an object (the sun) that is actually a great distance above the water; this is impossible.

    To most of these contradictions of the laws of physics, FEers often just reply that there must be some explanation for this that we don't know about. But this is false and absurd. Going back to my example of throwing a rock in the air and knowing it's going to fall back down because that is an observable law of physics, it is false to say that we don't know whether a rock will fall back to the ground because probably some unknown law of physics will kick in at the top of the rock's trajectory, causing it to remain suspended in the air forever, or causing it to suddenly start moving parallel to the earth's surface. Yes, we can and correctly do say that it is certain that a rock will fall back to the ground, and we can dismiss the fundamental elements of FEism in the same way, that they contradict the most basic facts of observation.

    The FE theory explains the universe about as much as the theory of Santa Claus explains how children get presents on December 25th every year. It explains one simple fact, i.e. that children get presents, but must concoct a vast system that is physically impossible in order to do so. So, the FE theory explains why the earth looks flat when we look at it, but can only do so by inventing a vast tissue of absurdities that its proponents usually don't even try to defend.


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #233 on: August 14, 2022, 06:19:53 PM »
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  • In this short video:

    Freemason Albert Pike writes about the flat earth and firmament symbols in the "Dimensions of the Lodge".  

    Also, without a firmament the door is opened to distant galaxies in the universe which inhabit "intelligent life" and the Protestant presenter takes shots at the Catholic Church which is ready to baptize those aliens as the pope has declared:

    11min 48sec



    Interestingly enough, the new and improved St Joseph's Baltimore Catechism says that there may be intelligent beings on other planets and here is an article from the popular Novus Ordo vlogcast site Ascension Presents explaining how aliens could be redeemed:


    "Aliens, then, would stand in the same relation to Jesus Christ as human beings on Earth who have never heard of Jesus (those who have not been baptized). As the Church has always taught, such persons can be saved, but they would be saved in and through the person and work of Jesus Christ, whether or not they’re aware of this."

    https://media.ascensionpress.com/2017/06/14/catholic-response-extraterrestrial-question/

    Isn't that special.  :/

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #234 on: August 14, 2022, 08:18:40 PM »
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  • In this short video:

    Freemason Albert Pike writes about the flat earth and firmament symbols in the "Dimensions of the Lodge". 

    Also, without a firmament the door is opened to distant galaxies in the universe which inhabit "intelligent life" and the Protestant presenter takes shots at the Catholic Church which is ready to baptize those aliens as the pope has declared:

    11min 48sec



    Interestingly enough, the new and improved St Joseph's Baltimore Catechism says that there may be intelligent beings on other planets and here is an article from the popular Novus Ordo vlogcast site Ascension Presents explaining how aliens could be redeemed:


    "Aliens, then, would stand in the same relation to Jesus Christ as human beings on Earth who have never heard of Jesus (those who have not been baptized). As the Church has always taught, such persons can be saved, but they would be saved in and through the person and work of Jesus Christ, whether or not they’re aware of this."

    https://media.ascensionpress.com/2017/06/14/catholic-response-extraterrestrial-question/

    Isn't that special.  :/
    Not only is it special, it's also a perfect set up for a fake, staged "alien" (demonic) invastion.

    The brainwashed people say "Of course there is life on other planets and other solar systems; how can we be so proud to think we are the only ones.

    Oops. Sorry. I posted prior to watching the fantastic video. Thank you Miser.
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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #235 on: August 14, 2022, 08:43:22 PM »
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  • Not only is it special, it's also a perfect set up for a fake, staged "alien" (demonic) invastion.

    The brainwashed people say "Of course there is life on other planets and other solar systems; how can we be so proud to think we are the only ones.

    Oops. Sorry. I posted prior to watching the fantastic video. Thank you Miser.
    Yes, that's it in a nutshell.  They have been setting up for this for a lonnnnng time now with comments from Reagan and Clinton and I believe Obama stating that an alien invasion would unite the world and so many children's books and movies etc. etc.

    From the Ascension Presents article:

    "What this means is regardless of appearance—whether they have one eye or three, whether they are green or purple—if they have bodies and are rational, “aliens” would likewise be rational animals and would have the same essential nature as us."

    Awww....it would be racist to judge them otherwise now wouldn't it? :facepalm:

    Thank you, Cera, for introducing me to Rob Skiba by posting one of his videos a while back. :)



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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #236 on: August 14, 2022, 09:59:31 PM »
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  • The funny thing is that this idea of "many worlds" has been condemned by Fathers, Doctors, Theologians, and even Popes as heretical (Ss. Augustine, Isidore and Jerome, for example). And some these days would like to stretch "many worlds" to be something like multiverse theory or whatever, but in their context, these individuals were condemning the proposition of other places like earth and that earth is just another "star" (e.g. planet) among many, that contain life.

    "Nothing under the sun is new," Eccl. 1:10
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #237 on: August 14, 2022, 10:19:01 PM »
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  • The funny thing is that this idea of "many worlds" has been condemned by Fathers, Doctors, Theologians, and even Popes as heretical (Ss. Augustine, Isidore and Jerome, for example). And some these days would like to stretch "many worlds" to be something like multiverse theory or whatever, but in their context, these individuals were condemning the proposition of other places like earth and that earth is just another "star" (e.g. planet) among many, that contain life.

    "Nothing under the sun is new," Eccl. 1:10

    Pythagoras or Christ? by A.A. Martinez, p.196-197:
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    During the rule of Pope Gregory XIII, from 1572 to 1585, the Pope reformed the Church by centralizing its authority and enacting the recommendations of the Council of Trent. Among his major projects, the Pope sponsored an expansive and updated edition of the Corpus of Canon Law, a compilation of laws of the Roman Catholic Church that would serve as its chief source of legislation. In 1582, when Pope Gregory XIII introduced the Gregorian calendar, he also issued the completed system of laws and ordered that it be used in schools of Canon law and in Church courts. It became the preponderant code of law in the Roman Catholic Church (for centuries, until it was replaced in 1917 by the Code of Canon Law). Fundamentally, Inquisition law had to comply with Canon law. And the Corpus was reprinted soon, in 1591, and regularly thereafter. In it, the Second Part includes long discussions of what exactly constitutes heresy and who shall be considered a heretic. Echoing Isidore, a long list of heretical sects ends with a paragraph that begins: "There are also other heresies without author and without names," among which is included "having the opinion of innumerable worlds."

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #238 on: August 15, 2022, 11:18:45 AM »
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  • Pythagoras or Christ? by A.A. Martinez, p.196-197:
    Thanks for sharing that!

    You would think the Baltimore Catechism would be safe...

    The first step to advancing this heresy is to get rid of the firmament and believe in the Ein Sof "outer space".

    Then you make lots of Star Trek and Star Wars shows...


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    Re: % Confidence in Earth's Shape
    « Reply #239 on: August 15, 2022, 11:24:15 AM »
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  • Yes, that's it in a nutshell.  They have been setting up for this for a lonnnnng time now with comments from Reagan and Clinton and I believe Obama stating that an alien invasion would unite the world and so many children's books and movies etc. etc.

    From the Ascension Presents article:

    "What this means is regardless of appearance—whether they have one eye or three, whether they are green or purple—if they have bodies and are rational, “aliens” would likewise be rational animals and would have the same essential nature as us."

    Awww....it would be racist to judge them otherwise now wouldn't it? :facepalm:

    Thank you, Cera, for introducing me to Rob Skiba by posting one of his videos a while back. :)
    And of course Donald Trump has Space Force all set up for a big show. 

    There are a lot of creepy occult symbols associated with Space Force.

    This thread shows pictures:

    https://twitter.com/DonnieDarkened/status/1555596908407685126

    The guy may stretch things too far and I'm not saying DT is the AC but the photos/info are interesting to note nonetheless.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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