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Offline Neil Obstat

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Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
« on: June 07, 2018, 02:10:51 PM »
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    GreaterSapien takes the bull by the horns!
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #1 on: June 07, 2018, 03:11:59 PM »
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    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1282946600/pole-to-pole-circuмnavigation-of-the-globe#
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    Can it be done?
    The heavy lift of this project is getting on that flight. But I've got over 14k subscribers and I think we can do this! Once the ticket is secured, the rest is what I've been doing for years. Collecting the information and putting it together in a format that is clear and compelling. (Ladislaus should be impressed, if it's compelling.)
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    Where is this flight going?
    The flight from New York has four stops: Rio Gallegos, Argentina; Perth, Australia; Beijing, China; and back to New York. 
    The info can be found here:  https://www.overthepoles2018.com  
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                                                  Flight path
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    During the stopovers (at minimum), I'll be broadcasting live on social media and relaying any data that was unable to be sent from in the air. Prior to the journey, I'll be setting up a website that will plot my location as I check in through the in-flight Internet and setting up communications with outside supporters to relay data to them in real time.
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    Why $16K?
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    The cost of the ticket is $11,900. Given that amount plus tax and the cost I estimate of supplying the perks and purchasing additional camera equipment, I then add a little room for the near 10% that Kickstarter will take off the top and that brings it to that value. I own all the editing equipment I would need. The only additional equipment I would need to purpose is a more compact camera and extended power sources, as my current camera equipment is too cuмbersome for use in a small space like aircraft seating.
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    And who knows, if we raise enough, maybe I can entice a big Flat-Earther to come with me?
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                                     Flight path in 3-D
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #2 on: June 07, 2018, 03:32:50 PM »
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  • https://www.overthepoles2018.com/
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    Message at the entry portal to the site:

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    Touch four continents, fly over both geographical poles, 
    travel 25,000 miles, and break a forty year old speed 
    record - all in a weekend and while in the luxury of our 
    privately chartered Airbus A340-500
    Back in 1977, Pan Am set a record
    circuмnavigating the world from Pole to Pole
    Flight 50 did it in 54 hours, 7 minutes and 12 seconds
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    In October 2018, we will attempt to break it,
    and to break it in style
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    Be part of this moment in history
    and enter the Guinness Book of Records
    by traveling around the world
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    FROM ARGENTINA


    » 1 ALEXANDER I ISLAND

    »  2  FILCHNER-RONNE ICE SHELF

    » SOUTH POLE 

    » 4 VOSTOK STATION

    »  5 CASEY STATION





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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #3 on: June 07, 2018, 03:44:17 PM »
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    A video on the website https://www.overthepoles2018.com/
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #4 on: June 07, 2018, 04:41:21 PM »
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    A video on the website https://www.overthepoles2018.com/
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    (Title should say video taken over arctic and Greenland: Thule Air Base is in Greenland)
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    Public Domain TV
    Published on Jul 5, 2014

    The views from the cockpit of NASA's P-3B aircraft on an Operation IceBridge campaign are truly stunning. The mission doesn't travel to both ends of the Earth for the scenery of course -- the airborne mission is there to collect radar, laser altimetry, and other data on the changing ice sheets, glaciers, and sea ice of the Arctic and Antarctic. But for those of us who aren't polar pilots, here's a selection of some of the best footage from the forward and nadir cameras mounted to the aircraft taken during IceBridge's spring deployment over Greenland and the Arctic Ocean.

    [This selection is not over Antarctic but only northern Arctic, contrary to the video's title, therefore flat-earthers got upset.]

    IceBridge, a six-year NASA mission, is the largest airborne survey of Earth's polar ice ever flown. It will yield an unprecedented three-dimensional view of Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets, ice shelves and sea ice. These flights will provide a yearly, multi-instrument look at the behavior of the rapidly changing features of the Greenland and Antarctic ice. Data collected during IceBridge will help scientists bridge the gap in polar observations between NASA's Ice, Cloud and Land Elevation Satellite (ICESat) -- in orbit since 2003 -- and ICESat-2, planned for late 2015. ICESat stopped collecting science data in 2009, making IceBridge critical for ensuring a continuous series of observations. IceBridge will use airborne instruments to map Arctic and Antarctic areas once a year. The first IceBridge flights were conducted in March/May 2009 over Greenland and in October/November 2009 over Antarctica. Other smaller airborne surveys around the world are also part of the IceBridge campaign.

    16 Aug 2013 Courtesy of the National Science Foundation

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    Flat Earth 2 years ago
    This is the center of the earth not the outer ring
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    allthatflash 6 months ago
    Well you can't just fly over the Antartic so i knew this was BS... anything 300 miles past the south pole you get shot down !!
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    Abdelmelik Farooq Alwahid 2 years ago
    So much for all those theories that the world is flat!
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    Jake Goodman 2 years ago
    This is Greenland not Antarctica!
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    Milky Way Mike 2 years ago [Michael Versprill]
    +Jake Goodman can you read? "The first IceBridge flights were conducted in March/May 2009 over Greenland and in October/November 2009 over Antarctica."
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    melba toast 2 years ago
    +Michael Versprill can you read? "here's a selection of some of the best footage from the forward and nadir cameras mounted to the aircraft taken during Ice Bridge's spring deployment over Greenland and the Arctic Ocean."  This is not footage of Antarctica.
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    melba toast 2 years ago
    +chuck sorenson of course you see no evidence of an ice wall because this is footage of Greenland and the Arctic Ocean on the the opposite side of your ball earth.
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #5 on: June 08, 2018, 10:47:21 AM »
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    I wonder how many of the participants realize in advance that the time they spend flying over the Arctic will be in total darkness?
    The fall equinox was Sept. 22nd, so this is autumn, when the sun is getting very low in the Arctic sky.
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    All times given appear to be New York time but they don't spell that out anywhere:
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    WHERE & WHEN


    OCTOBER 26

    11:00 am - Depart New York
    <-- Daylight over Atlantic and Bermuda Triangle

    11:35 pm - Arrival Río Gallegos
    <-- Night (dark) over South America

    11:35 hours | 6,382 miles


    OCTOBER 27

    1:05 am - Depart Río Gallegos
    Cross the geographic South Pole

    12:25 am +1 - Arrival Perth

    12:20 hours | 6,663 miles


    ANTARCTICA CROSSING


    OCTOBER 27

    1:05 am - Depart Río Gallegos  |  4:00 am - Estimated entry over 
    Antarctica above Alexander I Island  - 4:18 am Sunrise.
    <-- Sunrise, Antarctica, with sun very low in the sky.

    FLY OVER THE SOUTH POLE
    <-- Sunset and sunrise have the same lighting here.
    11:00 pm - Estimated exit from 
    Antarctica over Casey Station 
    <-- 11:38 pm New York time?
    - 11:38 pm Sunset.

    WHERE & WHEN
    <-- Is this west of the International Date Line?

    OCTOBER 28

    2:00 am - Depart Perth
    <-- 2:00 am & 11:10 am New York time?
    11:10 am - Arrival Beijing
    <-- 11:10 am NY is 11:10 pm Beijing, the next day.
    9:10 hours | 4,962 miles


    OCTOBER 28

    1:00 pm - Depart Beijing
    <-- Beijing to New York in 45 minutes?
    Cross the geographic North Pole

    1:45 pm - Arrival New York
    <-- Arrival New York before leaving continental Russia?
    12:45 hours 6,710 miles


    NORTH POLE CROSSING


    OCTOBER 28

    1:00 pm - Depart Beijing 

    4:00 am - Estimated entry over

    continental Russia above the Stranovoy range.

    7:00 pm - Aircraft leaves
    <-- 7:00 pm? But, 1:45 pm arrival New York?
    continental Russia, at a point near

    the Lyakhovsky Islands, towards the Arctic Ocean. 



    FLY OVER THE NORTH POLE


    11:00 pm - We will enter the Arctic


    archipelago over Canada between

    Nunavut (the northernmost

    settlement in the world) and the
    <-- So it's been dark (night) all across the Arctic!
    Northwest Territories. The sun will 

    rise as we fly over the islands of 

    Nunavut.

    Someone has made some serious itinerary typos here.
    Are these local times or New York times?
    The islands of Nunavut are not the end of the flight.
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #6 on: June 09, 2018, 01:00:45 AM »
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    Calling all flat-earthers!! Come along on a trip of a lifetime!
    Here's one of your own raising funds to get another flat-earther to come along too (or something like that).
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    He's got a website and everything!
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    http://exploringagain.com/2018/04/11/its-time-the-date-is-set-oct-26th-2018-flight-over-the-poles/
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    ITS TIME. THE DATE IS SET. FLIGHT OVER THE POLES. I WILL DOcuмENT THE JOURNEY.  I will attempt to use a mechanical gyrocompass and run other experiments.  Any other scientific experiments, please reach out to me.  I can use the assistance. If you can donate equipment for this. I greatly appreciate it.  I have my Oct 26th ticket enclosed below    overthepoles2018.com.  Please join me!
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    Be sure you understand that Michael Marshalek has been running other schemes to collect money, like buying a sail boat:
    http://exploringagain.com/category/misc/finalize-plans-for-aquiring-sailboat/
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    KICK OFF TO EXPLORATION!
    Posted on November 15, 2017
    KICK OFF TO EXPLORATION!  The Movement has begun!

    Posted in Finalize plans for Aquiring Sailboat, Misc1 Comment
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #7 on: June 11, 2018, 03:05:15 PM »
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    Ironically, it would seem that GreaterSapien has a ghost of a chance getting the funding he needs to buy a ticket.
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    But that other guy, Michael Marshalek, says he's already purchased his ticket (either $11,900 or else he got some kind of discount).
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    Maybe he only made a 10% deposit ($1,190) and he perhaps faked a picture of the ticket to attract supporters?
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    Anyways, this looks like a great opportunity for flat-earthers to have a fun trip, see some marvelous scenery and enjoy fine food.
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    Or, are flat-earthers afraid of socializing with so many people who don't share their Shangri-La dreamland reality?
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #8 on: June 14, 2018, 04:41:06 PM »
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  • And who knows, if we raise enough, maybe I can entice a big Flat-Earther to come with me?
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    Sure, a flat-earther should go with them.  I'd go except that I'm broke and have too many duties at home.

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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #9 on: June 14, 2018, 04:44:09 PM »
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    I wonder how many of the participants realize in advance that the time they spend flying over the Arctic will be in total darkness?

    Yes, that would stink.  If the whole point is to show that Antarctica is a continent that can be flown over, then the darkness doesn't really help the cause.

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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #10 on: June 14, 2018, 10:59:13 PM »
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    Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 08, 2018, 08:47:21 AM
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    I wonder how many of the participants realize in advance that the time they spend flying over the Arctic will be in total darkness?
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    Yes, that would stink.  If the whole point is to show that Antarctica is a continent that can be flown over, then the darkness doesn't really help the cause.
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    I said "the Arctic," not Antarctica. It will be as much daytime as you can get in the Antarctic, one month into the fall season, which for the southern hemisphere is their spring. So the sun will be starting to climb higher over Antarctica but won't be at its maximum yet which doesn't happen until late December (winter solstice). The schedule has them leaving Rio Gallegos, Argentina, at 1:05 am (night) and flying over Alexander I Island in Antarctica at 4:00 am. Look up Alexander I Island and see, it's right next to the horn-like peninsula that protrudes toward the horn of South America. The time of sunrise there that day in Antarctica is 4:18 am. So by the time the plane is in daylight the ocean will probably be out of view and only Antarctica will be visible in all directions. If they see any ocean at all it will likely be covered with ice so it won't be evident. There might be some darkness over the horizon in one direction opposite the sun but I doubt it will be very noticeable.
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    Their sunlight will then continue all across the continent. I don't see any mention of where the plane will be at sunset but that must be past the South Pole. They show 5 identifiable places in Antarctica over which the plane will fly: Alexander I Island, Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf, South Pole, Vostok Station and Casey Station, the exit point. There appears to be some ambiguity regarding where the plane will be when the sun sets, but apparently it's after passing Casey Station:

    11:00 pm - Estimated exit from
    Antarctica over Casey Station
    <-- 11:38 pm New York time?
    - 11:38 pm Sunset.
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    11:38 pm seems pretty late for sunset, unless this is due to being south of the antarctic circle, where the sun stays up 24 hours a day during the winter solstice.
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    So everyone will get the best daytime view possible for that time of year over Antarctica, which would seem to be the principal purpose of this flight, that is, second only to trying to break the world record for circuмpolar round-the-world flights.
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    Since the first objective, really, is doing this FAST, the plane crew has a real incentive to encourage all the passengers to be back on the plane ASAP at each fuel stop. They'll be in a hurry with the re-fueling process too, but I'm not familiar with what that entails so I don't know what kind of problems could come up. You could write a whole book of intrigue and suspense based on this theme. As with any interaction with large corporations, you might not be getting the straight scoop when you ask for information or request specific services or accessibility.
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    But regarding the passengers, many of whom may be all geared up for data connection all along the way, at least some of whom will be in a big anxious hurry to download and upload data at a ground station with better Internet access than they had been able to get during the flight and on the plane (imagine 150 journalists all scrambling for one Internet connection), check this out:
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    During the stopovers (at minimum), I'll be broadcasting live on social media and relaying any data that was unable to be sent from in the air. Prior to the journey, I'll be setting up a website that will plot my location as I check in through the in-flight Internet and setting up communications with outside supporters to relay data to them in real time.
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    I hope he also sets up arrangements with Rio Gallegos and Perth and Beijing so that he will be assured of having readily-available high speed Internet access without delay at each stop. It seems to me the most fail-safe approach would be to have your own independent satellite-based Internet connection so you can make arrangements to step off the plane and set up in the open air on the tarmac (satellites often require direct unobstructed line of sight for assured connection) where you can be self-sufficient uploading your data. If things don't go as planned, he ought to carry along with him more than sufficient memory capacity to keep a copy of all his data with him in the event that anything goes wrong with Internet connections at the refueling stops.
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    Some day, someone will try to break this record by having 2, 3 or 4 planes: the crew and all the passengers would disembark with their carry-on luggage (no luggage stowed by check-in, they could use that space for fuel if possible), and at one or more stops, everyone would simply board the waiting fully-fueled plane so as to save the time of re-fueling.
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    The only other way of doing it faster would be to use a plane like the Concord (which has been de-commissioned) and fly faster than Mach 1, at higher elevation, to cut the duration of the flight. Could get better photography opportunities as well!
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #11 on: June 17, 2018, 12:17:50 AM »
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  • Sure, a flat-earther should go with them.  I'd go except that I'm broke and have too many duties at home.
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    There is one flat-earther online who claims to have purchased a ticket and is asking for donations to reimburse himself.
    Could be a scam.
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    I suspect that there will be RULES set up to limit the amount and size of the equipment passengers can bring on board.
    Can you imagine 150 passengers with tripods and cameras and electronic hookups trying to get access to windows across the aisle?
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #12 on: July 02, 2018, 06:04:41 AM »
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    From the home website:
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    The flight starts in New York. From there, in one giant nonstop leap (6,382 miles - 11 hours, 35 minutes) we fly southwards to Río Gallegos, at the southernmost tip of Argentina. Then across the entire continent of Antarctica, for a spectacular daytime crossing directly over the geographical South Pole (6,663 miles - 12 hours, 20 minutes) to Perth, in Western Australia. Our flight then turns north, for a journey to Beijing in China (4,962 miles - 9 hours, 10 minutes). It then crosses continental Russia and the Siberian Plateau over the geographic North Pole to New York (6,710 miles, 12 hours, 45 minutes), landing back at JFK at around 2:00 p.m., approximately 50 hours later.

    Despite all of the technical advancements made in aviation during the past half-century, to this day, far more people have orbited the earth in space than have made a complete circuмnavigation of the world over both poles.


    Just three flights have ever held the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) absolute record for speed around the world over both the Earth’s poles, starting with the first transpolar journey in 1965. Only one of those flights offered passengers the ability to participate.




    Now you have the opportunity to be part of aviation history.


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    Fly over the south pole during daylight hours


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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #13 on: July 02, 2018, 09:59:53 AM »
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  • If it's so easy to over fly tje Antarctica continent, how come nobody ever does it?

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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #14 on: July 02, 2018, 10:58:17 AM »
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  • Debunked before it gets of the ground. No scientific data, instruments or tests will be permitted on the flight. Why? Because that would prove this is a scam.