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Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2018, 12:15:55 PM »
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  • Debunked before it gets of the ground. No scientific data, instruments or tests will be permitted on the flight. Why? Because that would prove this is a scam.


    Ha ha.  After they make the attempt, this polar flight will be relegated to the Elon Musk library of NASA's Faux Pas and Lies where globe imagineers store dinosaur bones and tin-foil LEMS.


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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #16 on: July 02, 2018, 12:32:10 PM »
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  • That video is VERY damning.


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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 12:55:40 PM »
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    There is one flat-earther online who claims to have purchased a ticket and is asking for donations to reimburse himself.
    Could be a scam.
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    I suspect that there will be RULES set up to limit the amount and size of the equipment passengers can bring on board.
    Can you imagine 150 passengers with tripods and cameras and electronic hookups trying to get access to windows across the aisle?
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    I expected there would be rules set up regarding on board equipment the passengers can bring. It looks like the rules won't allow any, so the plans Greater Sapien is making to go out and buy special compact devices could turn out to be a waste of money if they won't let him bring the equipment onto the plane in the first place. They could easily make it an issue of passenger safety. 
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 01:12:43 PM »
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    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1282946600/pole-to-pole-circuмnavigation-of-the-globe#
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    Can it be done?
    The heavy lift of this project is getting on that flight. But I've got over 14k subscribers and I think we can do this! Once the ticket is secured, the rest is what I've been doing for years. Collecting the information and putting it together in a format that is clear and compelling. (Ladislaus should be impressed, if it's compelling.)
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    Where is this flight going?
    The flight from New York has four stops: Rio Gallegos, Argentina; Perth, Australia; Beijing, China; and back to New York.
    The info can be found here:  https://www.overthepoles2018.com  
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                                                 Flight path
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    During the stopovers (at minimum), I'll be broadcasting live on social media and relaying any data that was unable to be sent from in the air. Prior to the journey, I'll be setting up a website that will plot my location as I check in through the in-flight Internet and setting up communications with outside supporters to relay data to them in real time.
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    Why $16K?
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    The cost of the ticket is $11,900. Given that amount plus tax and the cost I estimate of supplying the perks and purchasing additional camera equipment, I then add a little room for the near 10% that Kickstarter will take off the top and that brings it to that value. I own all the editing equipment I would need. The only additional equipment I would need to purpose is a more compact camera and extended power sources, as my current camera equipment is too cuмbersome for use in a small space like aircraft seating.
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    And who knows, if we raise enough, maybe I can entice a big Flat-Earther to come with me?
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                                    Flight path in 3-D
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    (The source page continues...)
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    All the plans Greater Sapien is making for data collection on board using his special equipment might be a dead letter if the passenger rules prohibit bringing any equipment on board. What's he going to do if his contributors demand a refund? He won't be given any refund by the flight production company. 
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 01:27:25 PM »
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  • And the plot thickens.


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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #20 on: July 02, 2018, 02:23:02 PM »
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  • Is a camera considered scientific equipment? 

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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #21 on: July 06, 2018, 05:43:26 AM »
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  • Is a camera considered scientific equipment?

    I would venture the guess that they'll have professional photographers on the plane, and if you're a passenger, you'll have the chance to purchase their photos by placing orders directly with them face-to-face.
    On upper-end events that's usually the plan.
    Otherwise, they'd have passengers running all over the aisles trying to get the best photos every time someone shouts key words.
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    Like, "Oh, look! Right over there!"
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    Now all they need are business cards that say they're flat-earth friendly photographers.
    (They might come prepared with other types of business cards, too.)
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #22 on: July 06, 2018, 06:12:34 AM »
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    Go to this page to see Jerry Williams' (Sapiens') 90% funded update that he made a couple of weeks ago.
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    He says he just made the deposit to secure his seat, and many thanks to contributors.
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    The Kickstarter site allows comments, which you can read, but you have to be a contributor before you can post a comment.
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    There is a FAQ section, but it's empty. Fascinating. It says it looks like there are no frequently asked questions.
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    Now, you might think that's because the contributors are not asking for more information or something like that.
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    But you can register with Kickstarter and ask a question without being a contributor.
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    It seems to me that since the primary goal of the Kickstarter idea is to fund his flight with the option of returning funds if it doesn't work out (a feature of Kickstarter that Go Fund Me can't offer), he is filtering content of his website pages with the intention of not obstructing the good feeling of success, to keep the enthusiasm alive.
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    Since questions like, "What about all your fancy scientific devices? Are they allowing you to use that stuff on the Plane? What are you going to do with your suitcases of gear when TSA denies you access? Do you have a business license as a professional photographer? Do you have a press pass? How can you be sure you can get a window seat?"
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    Questions like that don't help contributors to feel good about donating money to his plan.



    A video project docuмenting my trip on a world record flight
    circuмnavigating both the North and South Poles

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    335 backers pledged $19,397 to help bring this project to life.
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #23 on: July 06, 2018, 06:23:38 AM »
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    Why do I get the feeling those T-shirts won't be worn by anyone?
    He might consider having some official T-shirt display cases made up for the really big contributors.
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    "Looks like there aren't any frequently asked questions yet. Ask the project creator directly."
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    Here's a question for the project creator: 
    -- Have you considered having a few custom T-shirt display cases made up for the big contributors?
    ....You know, like the ones pro athletes have hanging on their pool room walls with their jersey and gloves inside?
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #24 on: July 08, 2018, 11:38:12 AM »
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  • Yeah, it would be nice to get an explanation of how they plan to get around aviation policy that prohibits flights south of 60 degrees.

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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #25 on: July 11, 2018, 10:39:43 AM »
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    Unless, of course, there is no such "aviation policy."  (Is "aviation" some entity that enforces policy?)
    The urban legend that somehow aircraft are mysteriously prevented from flying over Antarctica has no basis in fact.
    Like so many flat-earth fallacies. Someone should make a list of them. 

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    335 backers pledged $19,397 to help bring this project to life.
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    This means that his original goal of $16,000 was met and exceeded by $3,397.
    So, it's a GO from here out.  Williams has announced that he will not be securing a seat for a second passenger, but he's trying to make arrangements for himself to move up to first class. That might not happen. But he is certain of having a window seat.
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #26 on: July 26, 2018, 03:00:25 AM »
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    Still no flat-earthers buying tickets for this historic flight.
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    Why would any flat-earther want to stare at the truth face to face? Flat-earthers don't care about reality.
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    They're all about complaining about reality and spreading fables to share with each other's itching ears. 
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #27 on: July 26, 2018, 08:35:58 AM »
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    Maybe $12K is too expensive. Okay, then save up your loose change and head over to Denver in November!
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    BTW you should be able to set up a simple builder's level on top of any of those tall buildings there and check to see where level is.
    You can sight in all directions from the "mile high city" and certainly verify that the horizon rises to the level of your point of view.
    Then you can publish your results and claim victory over the globers once and for all! ..................................... or, not.
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    Probably the latter.
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #28 on: August 10, 2018, 11:12:23 PM »
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    Two more weeks closer to take-off day.
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    Flat-earthers are terrified of this flight.
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    Maybe they should organize a peaceful protest! Like good liberals in action!
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    Re: Circuм-polar flight scheduled for October, 2018
    « Reply #29 on: August 11, 2018, 11:22:17 AM »
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