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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism => Topic started by: Smedley Butler on February 12, 2018, 03:32:23 PM

Title: Chinese Magic Mirrors and the Firmament
Post by: Smedley Butler on February 12, 2018, 03:32:23 PM

How can something be metal, hard, strong,  and see-through?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_magic_mirror
Title: Re: Chinese Magic Mirrors and the Firmament
Post by: RoughAshlar on February 12, 2018, 11:44:35 PM
You referred me to this link here and I'm sorry, I don't buy it.  How far out does you metal firmament go...around the moon....or past the solar system?
Title: Re: Chinese Magic Mirrors and the Firmament
Post by: Smedley Butler on February 13, 2018, 08:08:40 AM
Earth is 25k mi in circuмference but you have a problem with the Firmament being same size? ??
Title: Re: Chinese Magic Mirrors and the Firmament
Post by: Ladislaus on February 13, 2018, 08:48:24 AM
Stop reaching.  Even if the firmament were solid, there's no proof or indication whatsoever that it's made of metal.  Your making things up only hurts your overall case.
Title: Re: Chinese Magic Mirrors and the Firmament
Post by: Smedley Butler on February 13, 2018, 10:11:45 AM
I'm not making anything up.

The molten brass comes from the Bible.

Have you ever seen see-through metal? Neither have I, but it exists and the Chinese knew how to make it thousands of years ago.
Title: Re: Chinese Magic Mirrors and the Firmament
Post by: Neil Obstat on February 13, 2018, 02:31:36 PM
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I have a 1609 Catholic Bible that infallibly defines "A firmament" (Genesis 1:6, "And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters") as follows:
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"Chap. 1.   Ver. 6.   A firmament.  By this name is here understood the whole space between the earth, and the highest stars. The lower part of which divideth the waters that are upon the earth, from those that are above in the clouds."
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Consequently, the firmament is not any solid or hard material but rather it is the zone or space between the earth and the highest stars which modern man would call the atmosphere and outer space. The water that is divided is the separation between liquid water as it occurs on the surface of the earth and vaporous water as it occurs in clouds in the sky. The ancient Bible authors had no way of understanding that the principle limit of water vapor is the earth's atmosphere. But today, we know that even in outer space, water can exist albeit in a very sparse and expanded form, with much distance between each water molecule without confines of ambient air pressure.
Title: Re: Chinese Magic Mirrors and the Firmament
Post by: Neil Obstat on February 13, 2018, 02:41:23 PM
Typo -- should have said, the principal limit of water vapor is the earth's atmosphere.
Title: Re: Chinese Magic Mirrors and the Firmament
Post by: Smedley Butler on February 13, 2018, 04:48:57 PM
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I have a 1609 Catholic Bible that infallibly defines "A firmament" (Genesis 1:6, "And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters") as follows:
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"Chap. 1.   Ver. 6.   A firmament.  By this name is here understood the whole space between the earth, and the highest stars. The lower part of which divideth the waters that are upon the earth, from those that are above in the clouds."
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Consequently, the firmament is not any solid or hard material but rather it is the zone or space between the earth and the highest stars which modern man would call the atmosphere and outer space. The water that is divided is the separation between liquid water as it occurs on the surface of the earth and vaporous water as it occurs in clouds in the sky. The ancient Bible authors had no way of understanding that the principle limit of water vapor is the earth's atmosphere. But today, we know that even in outer space, water can exist albeit in a very sparse and expanded form, with much distance between each water molecule without confines of ambient air pressure.
That commentary is from the 1899 Challoner Douay by the John Murphy Company, not the 1609.
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Title: Re: Chinese Magic Mirrors and the Firmament
Post by: WholeFoodsTrad on February 13, 2018, 10:45:14 PM
How can something be metal, hard, strong,  and see-through?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_magic_mirror
That's an awesome THEORY, thank you for posting it!   ;D