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    Don't you have something important to do today?
    Instead of sitting around waiting to reply to me with your copy and paste routine?
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    Don't you have something important to do today?
    Instead of sitting around waiting to reply to me with your copy and paste routine?
    Oh, no doubt.  Especially since I didn't copy or paste.  Thanks to you, others who happen by (oops) will get to read about the truth of God's creation.  :applause:


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  • Oh, no doubt.  Especially since I didn't copy or paste.  Thanks to you, others who happen by (oops) will get to read about the truth of God's creation.  :applause:
    This^ is nonsense
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  • Catholics should listen to this exceptional talk by this priest.  Meg, you're going to love this.  This isn't for the faint of heart as there are 2 parts, an hour each, and they will take your full attention because you have to read the screen as well as listen.  Catholic Theology and Philosophy come together in chiasms for better understanding of the present crisis of the Church, Fatima, Creation and the flat earth.  Tons of information!  Although the priest is probably simply geocentric, the discerning mind will more fully understand why flat earth has come to the attention of man in our day as we are witnesses to the return leg of a chiasm of Creation against science falsely so-called.  The concept of chiasm (cross) reveals the incompatibility of circular reasoning and spherical earth.

       This is the first of the two videos.


    That is indeed a very good video. It's really nice to have priest (I assume that the man who is giving the conference is a priest?) who will address the issue of how the rejection of God and His creation has led to the terrible situation in the world today. I wish that more trad priests and bishops would address it as such.

    I still don't really understand chiasms exactly. I'll have to watch that section of the video again. But there is much to understand anyway, as it is clearly explained and not difficult to understand.

    Firstly, he gives an overview of revolutions and where they originate. He asks..."Why are there revolutions?" Answers:

    + Creatures (angels and men) resist conforming to the order established by God (and when you resist the order established by God, you revolt).

    + Lucifer rejected the Way provided for him to attain heaven - he became Satan (the adversary of God and men) and the first revolutionary.

    +Adam and Eve followed his lead....and revolution entered the world.

    + +Ever since then man attempts to make the world conform to his fallen nature instead of seeking to conform himself to God's order....to the way God made things.

    + This failure to conform to God and His Order is the tap root of revolution.

    Revolutions forget God; they blaze their own path and they tend toward atheism, atheism against God, wanting to forget God.

    Aristotle vs. Descartes:

    Starting point for Aristotle: the created world around him. He sought to understand the reality of creation and to conform his mind to it.
    Descartes doubted all things created. His starting point: Man - his mind.....his perceptions….his imagination.

    Credo vs. Dubito:

    Credo ut intelligam: man humbly accepts and works with what God has given, namely, grace and Divine Revelation...nature and grace. Understanding and virtue will then follow because we are cooperating with God and how He created things.

    Dubito, ut intelligam: seems to be the way of Descartes and modern man. Man proudly resists and doubts all things until he decides what is best for himself.
    Credo rests on authority that comes from God. Kant resisted all authority.

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    IMO, the above is important, because it gives a basis for why revolutions occur. Aristotle at least tried to understand reality, even though he didn't have Divine Revelation to work from.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • The video also gives a good explanation of how occultism can enter in when we reject Divine Revelation. He says:

    Creation rejected - occult accepted:

    + When we reject Divine Revelation, so too its author. As a result, men no longer fear God or preternatural forces in the world.

    + The occult is capable of human manipulation....these can be tapped to learn secrets for the good of humanity

    + The devil is happy to satisfy man's desire for imaginative experiences and secret knowledge

    + Occult ideas saturate the culture and times.

    ------

    It seems that Father brings up some good points above, regarding occultism. He explains after that that there is a problem with relying too much on imagination.

    Probably the most important thing he mentions, IMO, is this:

    "Creation and God's promises go together. When Divine Revelation is rejected or doubted, creation is rejected with it. An alternative must therefore be sought. As a result, fantastic alternatives to creation are sought, nearly all of them having evolution as the basic substratum, (with) revolutions on every level to explain it."

    There's more I'd like to comment on regarding the video, but that's all I have time for today.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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  • That is indeed a very good video. It's really nice to have priest (I assume that the man who is giving the conference is a priest?) who will address the issue of how the rejection of God and His creation has led to the terrible situation in the world today. I wish that more trad priests and bishops would address it as such.

    I still don't really understand chiasms exactly. I'll have to watch that section of the video again. But there is much to understand anyway, as it is clearly explained and not difficult to understand.

    Firstly, he gives an overview of revolutions and where they originate. He asks..."Why are there revolutions?" Answers:

    + Creatures (angels and men) resist conforming to the order established by God (and when you resist the order established by God, you revolt).

    + Lucifer rejected the Way provided for him to attain heaven - he became Satan (the adversary of God and men) and the first revolutionary.

    +Adam and Eve followed his lead....and revolution entered the world.

    + +Ever since then man attempts to make the world conform to his fallen nature instead of seeking to conform himself to God's order....to the way God made things.

    + This failure to conform to God and His Order is the tap root of revolution.

    Revolutions forget God; they blaze their own path and they tend toward atheism, atheism against God, wanting to forget God.

    Aristotle vs. Descartes:

    Starting point for Aristotle: the created world around him. He sought to understand the reality of creation and to conform his mind to it.
    Descartes doubted all things created. His starting point: Man - his mind.....his perceptions….his imagination.

    Credo vs. Dubito:

    Credo ut intelligam: man humbly accepts and works with what God has given, namely, grace and Divine Revelation...nature and grace. Understanding and virtue will then follow because we are cooperating with God and how He created things.

    Dubito, ut intelligam: seems to be the way of Descartes and modern man. Man proudly resists and doubts all things until he decides what is best for himself.
    Credo rests on authority that comes from God. Kant resisted all authority.

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    IMO, the above is important, because it gives a basis for why revolutions occur. Aristotle at least tried to understand reality, even though he didn't have Divine Revelation to work from.
    Yes, revolutions.  Like the Copernican Revolution.  These last two in your list are particularly poignant regarding flat earth:

    + +Ever since then man attempts to make the world conform to his fallen nature instead of seeking to conform himself to God's order....to the way God made things.

    + This failure to conform to God and His Order is the tap root of revolution.

    Revolutions forget God; they blaze their own path and they tend toward atheism, atheism against God, wanting to forget God.

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  • The video also gives a good explanation of how occultism can enter in when we reject Divine Revelation. He says:

    Creation rejected - occult accepted:

    + When we reject Divine Revelation, so too its author. As a result, men no longer fear God or preternatural forces in the world.

    + The occult is capable of human manipulation....these can be tapped to learn secrets for the good of humanity

    + The devil is happy to satisfy man's desire for imaginative experiences and secret knowledge

    + Occult ideas saturate the culture and times.

    ------

    It seems that Father brings up some good points above, regarding occultism. He explains after that that there is a problem with relying too much on imagination.

    Probably the most important thing he mentions, IMO, is this:

    "Creation and God's promises go together. When Divine Revelation is rejected or doubted, creation is rejected with it. An alternative must therefore be sought. As a result, fantastic alternatives to creation are sought, nearly all of them having evolution as the basic substratum, (with) revolutions on every level to explain it."

    There's more I'd like to comment on regarding the video, but that's all I have time for today.
    Creation rejected - occult accepted:
    He explains after that that there is a problem with relying too much on imagination.

    Isn't that amazing?  And guess who tried to shut this revolution down before it could take hold?  The Church.  She condemned the Copernican Doctrine because She saw what was coming. (Like Fatima?) Sadly, few listened and even fewer understood the science revolution that stole the imaginations of men. Good grief, they still don't listen, or get it!  When the dust had settled after the Galileo Affair, men were praising science for teaching the Church a thing or two.  :facepalm:

    They do it to this day. The sorry excuses by Catholics for why the Church stood against Galileo is sickening.  I've seen every different view you can imagine. From, the Church had no business in science, to the Church didn't say what you thought She said, to the Church was simply wrong.  When push came to shove, despite all warnings and condemnations, science was given precedence over Scripture and the Church.  Even to this day they say, "Oh, Scripture doesn't talk about science, or flat earth, or globes. The Church doesn't say the earth is flat.  Science knows what its doing. How does the shape of the earth affect me?"  

    Creation rejected - occult accepted

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    Do you realize your making another problem for yourself and your Shangri-La fantasy land of flat-earthism?
    .
    The priest gives a very informative lecture, and it's nice to see you're receptive to it.
    But it has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
    .
    Here's what's going to happen: 
    You will keep watching his presentations and you'll keep trying to discover flat-earthism there.
    You will continue to be disappointed not finding any but you'll keep hoping that will change.
    Then one day this same priest will answer a question from the audience about flat-earthism.
    And his answer to the "flat" earth question will be devastating to your wildest dreams.
    Then suddenly you'll abandon all interest in everything he had to say in all his talks.
    And you'll run off to some other priest and start all over again.
    The question is, How long will this go on before you STOP LISTENING TO PRIESTS? 
    Because you will never find a priest who openly promotes the false god of "flat" earth.
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    Do you realize your making another problem for yourself and your Shangri-La fantasy land of flat-earthism?
    .
    The priest gives a very informative lecture, and it's nice to see you're receptive to it.
    But it has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
    .
    Here's what's going to happen:
    You will keep watching his presentations and you'll keep trying to discover flat-earthism there.
    You will continue to be disappointed not finding any but you'll keep hoping that will change.
    Then one day this same priest will answer a question from the audience about flat-earthism.
    And his answer to the "flat" earth question will be devastating to your wildest dreams.
    Then suddenly you'll abandon all interest in everything he had to say in all his talks.
    And you'll run off to some other priest and start all over again.
    The question is, How long will this go on before you STOP LISTENING TO PRIESTS?
    Because you will never find a priest who openly promotes the false god of "flat" earth.
    .
    Too late

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  • Creation rejected - occult accepted:
    He explains after that that there is a problem with relying too much on imagination.

    Isn't that amazing?  And guess who tried to shut this revolution down before it could take hold?  The Church.  She condemned the Copernican Doctrine because She saw what was coming. (Like Fatima?) Sadly, few listened and even fewer understood the science revolution that stole the imaginations of men. Good grief, they still don't listen, or get it!  When the dust had settled after the Galileo Affair, men were praising science for teaching the Church a thing or two.  :facepalm:

    They do it to this day. The sorry excuses by Catholics for why the Church stood against Galileo is sickening.  I've seen every different view you can imagine. From, the Church had no business in science, to the Church didn't say what you thought She said, to the Church was simply wrong.  When push came to shove, despite all warnings and condemnations, science was given precedence over Scripture and the Church.  Even to this day they say, "Oh, Scripture doesn't talk about science, or flat earth, or globes. The Church doesn't say the earth is flat.  Science knows what its doing. How does the shape of the earth affect me?"  

    Creation rejected - occult accepted

    Yes, the Church did try to shut down the worldy scientific revolution, a revolution which did not have recourse to Divine Revelation. And Catholics are okay with the worldly scientific revolution. They want to keep God and Scripture out of science, as if God and Scripture don't really have ANY SAY AT ALL about Creation. Weird. But then that's what I thought, too, at one time. Such ignorance.

    I agree about men praising science for teaching the Church a thing or two. Such arrogance! Father says in the video that what is needed is a humble acceptance of God's Creation. Not MAN's imaginary (and arrogant) concept of it.

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Do you realize your making another problem for yourself and your Shangri-La fantasy land of flat-earthism?
    .
    The priest gives a very informative lecture, and it's nice to see you're receptive to it.
    But it has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
    .
    Here's what's going to happen:
    You will keep watching his presentations and you'll keep trying to discover flat-earthism there.
    You will continue to be disappointed not finding any but you'll keep hoping that will change.
    Then one day this same priest will answer a question from the audience about flat-earthism.
    And his answer to the "flat" earth question will be devastating to your wildest dreams.
    Then suddenly you'll abandon all interest in everything he had to say in all his talks.
    And you'll run off to some other priest and start all over again.
    The question is, How long will this go on before you STOP LISTENING TO PRIESTS?
    Because you will never find a priest who openly promotes the false god of "flat" earth.
    .

    Which do you TRULY love more, Neil?   God....or science?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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  • Yes, revolutions.  Like the Copernican Revolution.  These last two in your list are particularly poignant regarding flat earth:

    + +Ever since then man attempts to make the world conform to his fallen nature instead of seeking to conform himself to God's order....to the way God made things.

    + This failure to conform to God and His Order is the tap root of revolution.

    Revolutions forget God; they blaze their own path and they tend toward atheism, atheism against God, wanting to forget God.


    We see what is happening in the world today, where it is blatantly obvious that man's fallen nature is being catered to in so many areas. The bizarre transgender issue for instance, and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage." These examples show just how far away man has gone from a conformity to God's order. 

    Traditional Catholics of course don't go along with this new orientation, but there's a reason why so much of mankind has accepted illusion instead of the reality of God's order. 

    At least there's one priest out there who sees a connection. Even though he does not believe in a flat earth, he is at least brave enough to preach about how important it is to conform to God's order; to the way God made things, which is tied to Divine Revelation and Creation. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • The priest gives a very informative lecture, and it's nice to see you're receptive to it.
    But it has nothing to do with the shape of the earth..


    No one is claiming that he's talking about a flat earth. Do you understand why we are spending time in viewing his video? 

    Do you understand, even a little bit, as to why we believe that he has an important message?

    The question is, are you yourself receptive to what the priest is saying? I think not.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • We see what is happening in the world today, where it is blatantly obvious that man's fallen nature is being catered to in so many areas. The bizarre transgender issue for instance, and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage." These examples show just how far away man has gone from a conformity to God's order.

    Traditional Catholics of course don't go along with this new orientation, but there's a reason why so much of mankind has accepted illusion instead of the reality of God's order.

    At least there's one priest out there who sees a connection. Even though he does not believe in a flat earth, he is at least brave enough to preach about how important it is to conform to God's order; to the way God made things, which is tied to Divine Revelation and Creation.
    Fr. Ripperger sees a problem, too:

    "People's denial of the knowledge of God, or that you can come to a knowledge of God, is rooted in certain metaphysical problems in relationship to reality. The common teaching among philosophers is, What your cosmology is, how you view the physical world, the world around you, will determine what your understand of what actually God is.  Due to modern philosophers, People's understanding of the real world has degraded their ability to actually understand things about God by the natural light of reason." 




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  • We see what is happening in the world today, where it is blatantly obvious that man's fallen nature is being catered to in so many areas. The bizarre transgender issue for instance, and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage." These examples show just how far away man has gone from a conformity to God's order.

    Traditional Catholics of course don't go along with this new orientation, but there's a reason why so much of mankind has accepted illusion instead of the reality of God's order.

    At least there's one priest out there who sees a connection. Even though he does not believe in a flat earth, he is at least brave enough to preach about how important it is to conform to God's order; to the way God made things, which is tied to Divine Revelation and Creation.
    Although I can see links from false cosmology to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, I doubt others will.  But I wouldn't doubt for a minute that a full and comprehensive study could identify the connections beyond dispute.  The idea that everything's relative is directly connected to scientific relativity which gives the error a physical basis. The globe backs it all up because everything's relative on a globe. The bodies in motion theory completes the paradigm and these work together to promote the licentious world in which we live.  False ecuмenism and Modernism are natural outgrowths of these errors.