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Catholics should listen to this exceptional talk by this priest.  Meg, you're going to love this.  This isn't for the faint of heart as there are 2 parts, an hour each, and they will take your full attention because you have to read the screen as well as listen.  Catholic Theology and Philosophy come together in chiasms for better understanding of the present crisis of the Church, Fatima, Creation and the flat earth.  Tons of information!  Although the priest is probably simply geocentric, the discerning mind will more fully understand why flat earth has come to the attention of man in our day as we are witnesses to the return leg of a chiasm of Creation against science falsely so-called.  The concept of chiasm (cross) reveals the incompatibility of circular reasoning and spherical earth.

    This is the first of the two videos.





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  • the discerning mind will more fully understand why flat earth has come to the attention of man in our day as we are witnesses to the return leg of a chiasm of Creation against science falsely so-called.  The concept of chiasm (cross) reveals the incompatibility of circular reasoning and spherical earth.
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    The concept of chiasm has absolutely nothing to do with spheroidal earth or "flat" earth.
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    The priest's talk is interesting. He makes a lot of good points. But ask him about "flat" earth at the first opportunity.
    You wouldn't believe him if he were to give you an answer. 
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    The concept of chiasm has absolutely nothing to do with spheroidal earth or "flat" earth.
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    The priest's talk is interesting. He makes a lot of good points. But ask him about "flat" earth at the first opportunity.
    You wouldn't believe him if he were to give you an answer.
    One hour with this priest and he'd know earth is not a globe.  Chiasm has everything to do with the earth not being a globe.  Not only is the priest on the right track, recognizing the lies of the science community, he points out how at odds with Christ they are.  The cross is impossible on a globe, because the center of the cross is the Heart of Christ, the heart of man, the heart of the matter.  The center of the globe is demons.  The globe assures man through false science, that there is no need for the cross, because all you have to do is go around it.   

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    You must have been abused as a child to be so confused.
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    The concept of chiasm has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the earth,
    just as it has nothing to do with the temperature of safely cooked pork or the declination of Polaris from Greenwich, England.
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    One hour with this priest and he would be calling for the men in white coats to come and pick you up.
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    You must have been abused as a child to be so confused.
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    The concept of chiasm has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the earth,
    just as it has nothing to do with the temperature of safely cooked pork or the declination of Polaris from Greenwich, England.
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    One hour with this priest and he would be calling for the men in white coats to come and pick you up.
    Ok, well, don't bother responding to me if you're not going to engage in decent dialogue. 


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  • Catholics should listen to this exceptional talk by this priest.  Meg, you're going to love this.  This isn't for the faint of heart as there are 2 parts, an hour each, and they will take your full attention because you have to read the screen as well as listen.  Catholic Theology and Philosophy come together in chiasms for better understanding of the present crisis of the Church, Fatima, Creation and the flat earth.  Tons of information!  Although the priest is probably simply geocentric, the discerning mind will more fully understand why flat earth has come to the attention of man in our day as we are witnesses to the return leg of a chiasm of Creation against science falsely so-called.  The concept of chiasm (cross) reveals the incompatibility of circular reasoning and spherical earth.

       This is the first of the two videos.

    I'll watch it over the next few days. It should be interesting. I've never heard of chiasm before, though.

    BTW, it's best to ignore Neil, if possible. His only reason for posting on this subforum is to make flat earth trads look bad, with his extremely immature and rude comments against us.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • I'll watch it over the next few days. It should be interesting. I've never heard of chiasm before, though.

    BTW, it's best to ignore Neil, if possible. His only reason for posting on this subforum is to make flat earth trads look bad, with his extremely immature and rude comments against us.
    Yea, I asked him not to respond to me unless he has decent discussion in mind. 

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  • Ok, well, don't bother responding to me if you're not going to engage in decent dialogue.
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    A fallacy should not be left standing without challenge. Your fallacy requires opposition. I'll respond to your fallacy.
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    The concept of chiasm (ky′-az-um) has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
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    The objective in using chiastic (ky-as-tic) structure is to teach, to emphasize a principle, to repeat doctrine, and to clarify ambiguity.
    When Vat.II came riding into town, its authors actually abused chiastic structure to deconstruct Church doctrine and to institute ambiguity. So it's possible to use the Church's strength against the Church herself! They also did that at Vat.II with obedience.
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    What is a chiasm? What is chiastic structure?
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    A chiasm (otherwise known as chiasmus) is a literary device that presents a series of ideas, and then repeats them in opposite order. This repetition is to clarify ambiguity by repeating a doctrine or by emphasizing a principle, thereby imparting truth, by teaching.
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    The chiastic structure is just one of a multitude of literary devices that make the Bible an outstanding example of rich literature.
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    Chiastic structure is often expressed by the use of letters. An example of this structure is idea A, and idea B, followed by idea B' ("B prime), and idea A' ("A prime"). B' and A' are the same ideas as B and A (the same idea can use slightly different terminology), but in reverse order, written: ABB'A'. The goal of chiastic structure is to teach by using emphasis, repetition and/or clarification.
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    The term 'chi' comes from the Greek letter 'chi' (pronounced ky or ki, as in Kyle or kite), which looks like the letter 'X' in English. Chiasm is pronounced ky′-az-um.
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    Although the basic structure of a chiasm is generally ABB'A', sometimes there is another idea nestled between the reverse order. This looks like ABXB'A'. In this structure, the ideas A and B are repeated in reverse order, but another idea, X, is inserted between the repetition. X is emphasized because of its position and because it is the only idea that is not repeated. (One variation on the norm is to use the omission of the usual reversal of order, CDD'C', in the center two terms, keeping for example CD the same with C'D', C/D,C'/D', instead of D'C'; plus the addition of one or more key phrases in that central area -- example below, for Joshua 1:5-9)
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    Some chiastic structures are complex, spanning the length of entire poems, or as in Genesis, covering three chapters (cap. 6-9). Other chiasms are very simple, such as the axioms, "When the going gets tough, the tough get going," and "By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail." One silly offshoot of the chiasm has been the entertaining palindrome, which merely reverses the sequence of individual letters without regard for spacing between words, e.g., "AMANAPLANACANALPANAMA." (The underlined letter is the pivotal one.) Therefore, the palindrome is (regrettably!) a type of chiasm. The palindromic Latin riddle "In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni" ("we go wandering at night and are consumed by fire") describes the behavior of moths. It is likely that this palindrome is from medieval rather than ancient times. Palindromes date back at least to 79 AD, as a palindrome was found as a graffito at Herculaneum, a city buried by ash in that year. This palindrome, called the Sator Square, consists of a sentence written in Latin: "Sator Arepo Tenet Opera Rotas" ("The sower, Arepo, holds with effort the wheels."). It is remarkable for the fact that the first letters of each word form the first word, the second letters form the second word, and so forth. Notice the central word, TENET, is a palindrome in itself, AREPO is the reverse of OPERA, and SATOR is the reverse of ROTAS. Those were the days before cell phones, GPS, social media and MSM fake news.
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    Jesus sometimes used chiastic structure when He preached, as well as did David when he wrote Psalms. An example of one of Christ's short chiastic sentences is found in Mark 2:27: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." Here, the chiasm is used to emphasize His point. This follows ABB'A' structure, with the words "Sabbath" and "man" being repeated and reversed, giving emphasis WITHOUT USING ALL CAPS OR EXCLAMATION POINTS!!
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    A variation of the typical chiasm, as an example of the more complex, is the following, which Our Lord used while teaching His doctrine on salvation: "So the last shall be first and the first last, for many are called but few are chosen," Matt. 20:16. Here, the X figure is placed at the very end of the chiasm, instead of in the middle making it leap out as a conclusion, and easier to remember since it summarizes the whole message: "...for many are called but few are chosen." Who can hear that spoken without giving pause to its meaning?
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    Our Lord taught about the end of the world using chiastic structure in Mark 13:20: "And unless those days had been shortened (A), no flesh should be saved (B): but for the sake of the elect (X/B') those days shall be shortened (A')." Here, the A figure is the potential ("unless...had been") for shortening of days, the B figure is the salvation of man (represented by "flesh"), and the NEGATION component "no flesh" and "unless" implying the days MIGHT NOT be shortened (if there was no possibility of them not being shortened it would be pointless to say "unless"). Its removal in the B' and the affirmation of shortening of days in A' forms a kind of duplication of the reversal ABB'A'. In "for the sake of the elect" is found the chi (X) figure in the middle, following the ABXB'A' structure. The elect stands in place of flesh that should be saved (B'), and to say that the elect ARE the flesh that shall be saved (X), even though the text does not literally say, "the elect shall be saved." The X figure in the middle is preceded by a colon, after "saved," and is the beginning of the reversal (B'A') of the AB sequence.
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    This eschatalogical Scriptural teaching of Our Lord in Mark 13:20 is taking away damnation (for the elect!) and replacing it with salvation (for the elect!), the essence of Our Lord's mission on earth. Here, the reversal of the AB sequence (B'A') alludes to and is an allegory of the inversion of the erstwhile fate of fallen man, the reversal of his eternal doom, turning it into his eternal reward. This theme is prominent in the Good Friday liturgy, the most ancient and treasured liturgy of Holy Mother Church (which was abandoned wholesale under Pius XII's approval with the nefarious work of the notorious Freemason, Annibale Bugnini).
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    Notice in the middle of all this, there is not a word about the shape of the earth, nor any reason for us to associate it with chiasm.
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    Matthew 6:24 employs a longer chiasm: "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."
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    This chiasm has five parts, which when broken down looks like this:
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    A No one can serve two masters,
    B for either he will hate the one
    C and love the other,
    C′ or he will be devoted to the one
    B′ and despise the other.
    A′ You cannot serve God and money.
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    You can see that the A and A' in the chiasm are the same idea, as well as the B and B', and the C and C'. This chiasm relays three themes, which are being unable to serve two masters (A and A'), hating one of the masters (B and B'), and loving the other master (C and C').
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    More examples of chiastic structure in the Bible include:
    Genesis 6—9 (The entire history of Noah's arc, the Flood and the survival of Noah, his family and the animals on the ark is a 3-chapter long chiasm, with the Flood as the 'X' in the middle -- which is "not repeated" -- and the non-repetition of the Flood is reinforced with God's promise that He will never again destroy the world by floodwaters, while He gave us the rainbow as a sign of this promise -- but just as Modernists have abused the chiasm to attack the Church, Sodomite activists, whose nature is to be unable to control their abiding passion to spread their putrid evil all over the globe  --- woops, I mean "world," have commandeered the rainbow as their own signal which is a blatant affront to God which shall not go unpunished, to their dismay.);
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    Isaiah 1:21–26 [21] How is the faithful city (A), that was full of judgment, become a harlot? justice (B) dwelt in it, but now murderers. [22] Thy silver is turned into dross (C): thy wine is mingled with water. [23] Thy princes are faithless, companions of thieves: they all love bribes, the run after rewards. They judge not for the fatherless: and the widows cometh not in to them. [24] Therefore saith the Lord the God of hosts, the mighty one of Israel: Ah! I will comfort myself over my adversaries: and I will be revenged of my enemies (X). [25] And I will turn my hand to thee, and I will clean purge away thy dross (C'), and I will take away all thy tin. [26] And I will restore thy judges as they were before, and thy counsellors (B') as of old. After this thou shalt be called the city of the just, a faithful city (A'). (Sequence = ABCXC'B'A')
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    Joshua 1:5–9 [5] No man shall be able to resist you all the days of thy life: as I have been with Moses, so will I be with thee (A): I will not leave thee, nor forsake thee. [6] Take courage, and be strong (B): for thou shalt divide by lot to this people the land, for which I swore to their fathers, that I would deliver it to them. [7] Take courage (B repeated) therefore, and be very valiant: that thou mayst observe and do all the law (C), which Moses my servant hath commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayst understand all things which thou dost. (C/D) [8] Let not the book of this law depart from thy mouth: but thou shalt meditate on it day and night, that thou mayst observe and do all things (C') that are written in it: then shalt thou direct thy way, and understand it (C'/D'). [9] Behold I command thee, take courage, and be strong (B'). Fear not and be not dismayed: because the Lord thy God is with thee (A') in all things whatsoever thou shalt go to.
    (Sequence order: ABC/D, C'/D'B'A' -- X is replaced with the reversed pattern C/D,C'/D', instead of having the usual CDXD'C' in the middle. X is as it were implied by the repetition C/DC'/D', and the addition of the phrases: "turn not from it to the right hand or to the left" and, "Let not the book of this law depart from thy mouth: but thou shalt meditate on it day and night...," which is effectively an EMPHASIS on the meaning of "observe and do all the law/things." This chiastic device brings such meaning and emphasis into focus once one recognizes the chiasm and sees its related parts and complexities in variation, because by recognizing where and how the variation takes place, one can recognize the emphasis for what it is. Without recognizing the chiasm the fact of the variation and emphasis seems to the casual reader as mumbo-jumbo or, as they said at Vat.II, "USELESS REPETITION!!")
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    Matthew 23:12: "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled: and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted."
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    The chiastic structure is just one of a multitude of literary devices that make the Bible a prominent example of rich literature.
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    Chiasm is a literary device that presents a series of ideas, and then repeats them in opposite order.
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    The concept of chiasm has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
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    I am responding to your fallacy, because as a fallacy, it requires opposition.


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  • Thank you for that teaching moment, Neil.  Your copy and paste skills are on par.      

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  • Thank you for that teaching moment, Neil.  Your copy and paste skills are on par.      

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    Copy what? Paste what? I responded to your fallacy.
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    You said, "The concept of chiasm (cross) reveals the incompatibility of circular reasoning and spherical earth."
    No, it doesn't. The concept of chiasm reveals no such thing.
    This is your fantasyland, Shangri-La, false god, golden calf, dreamworld again. It's not real. It's not Catholic. It's nonsense.

    Are you insinuating that others respond to your fallacy too? Who? Where?
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    Copy what? Paste what? I responded to your fallacy.
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    You said, "The concept of chiasm (cross) reveals the incompatibility of circular reasoning and spherical earth."
    No, it doesn't. The concept of chiasm reveals no such thing.
    This is your fantasyland, Shangri-La, false god, golden calf, dreamworld again. It's not real. It's not Catholic. It's nonsense.
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    Are you insinuating that others respond to your fallacy too? Who? Where?
    This^ is nonsense


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  • This^ is nonsense
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    Fallacy again! At least you're consistent: consistently fallacious.
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    You said, "The concept of chiasm (cross) reveals the incompatibility of circular reasoning and spherical earth."
    This is FALSE. The concept of chiasm reveals no such thing.
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    Fallacy again! At least you're consistent: consistently fallacious.
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    You said, "The concept of chiasm (cross) reveals the incompatibility of circular reasoning and spherical earth."
    This is FALSE. The concept of chiasm reveals no such thing.
    Oh but Chiasms do help reveal many truths, clarifying a lot, even you are unable to see.  The Chi or Cross opens the mind to what God is expressing, for those who have ears to hear. Chiasms help man understand the Cross of Christ, both in their poetic structure because they mirror truth, but also in bringing to the mind to the idea of the 'cross'.  Chiasms help us reflect on salvation history, even though they ultimately point to Christ's suffering on the Cross. Chiasms also reflect creation.  Flat earth and globe are different realities. They are at odds for a reason, at least because they reflect two different beliefs about God's Creation.  One is true.  The other must be false.  When compared symbolically, their symbols speak volumes. The chiasm reminds us to think in mirrored reflections, types and symbolism.  Like Scriptural descriptions of flat earth, the chi reflects the horizontal and vertical, but also above and beyond.  On the Cross, Jesus' arms reach straight out to the ends of the earth.  The vertical beam, where His Body hung, leads up to heaven and down to the depths of Creation.  Most importantly, at the center of the cross is the Heart of Christ.  This topology is mirrored in the heart of man, where all the decisions of who to serve are made (God or the Devil). The Heart of Christ, is a place of great suffering and a difficult decision to choose unless one takes on the cross in his own life.  The Cross of Christ stood at another crossroads, at the heart and center of the flat earth, in Jerusalem... the crossroads where the liturgy, tabernacle and Church literally reflect heaven and earth.      


    Conversely, the globe doesn't bring us to the crossroads, but sends us away, circuмventing the heart.  Any path on a globe goes around the center.  The paths of the global heart avoid self reflection and suffering that goes with meeting of Christ at the Cross.  Even the science of the globe tells us, "Don't think about it, just accept it. Science tells us the earth is a globe.  Don't reflect on it, accept science's proofs, don't question it, don't compare it to anything or reflect on it because it doesn't mean anything. It's nothing.  And if you attempt to see meaning, you are stupid!"  


    The globe naturally circuмvents suffering that leads to God because the globe is not of God, but of science. The globe goes around the truth, around internal reflection, around the crossroads of deep reflection, and away from the Cross. The globe permits recognition of Christ, but avoids the suffering, avoids the crossroads of intellect and heart.  This is the standard in the Christian pagan of today. The symbol of the globe fits the modern mindset and man's idea of where he lives, in every way possible.  The science of the globe embodies escape-ism.  Its very characteristics reflect its pagan scientific roots perfectly.  If one manages to place a cross on the globe, the cross section meets up with the Devil.  Science's creation of the sphere is meant to be the antitheses of the Cross.  The globe is not only a scientific belief, but a mindset and a religion that denies the truth of God's creation and leads away from the cross, from the suffering, death and Resurrection of Jesus.    

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    Having fun with copy and paste, again?
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    Flat earth and globe are different realities.
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    Correction:
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    "Flat" earth isn't a reality, it's a fantasy.
    It's fake news.
    It's a Shangri-La dreamland.
    Not evidenced by any data.
    Not observed in fact by anyone.
    Unreal, false, mythical "flat" earth.
     
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  • Matthew 13:13  Therefore do I speak to them in parables: because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.