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  • Fr. Ripperger sees a problem, too:

    "People's denial of the knowledge of God, or that you can come to a knowledge of God, is rooted in certain metaphysical problems in relationship to reality. The common teaching among philosophers is, What your cosmology is, how you view the physical world, the world around you, will determine what your understand of what actually God is.  Due to modern philosophers, People's understanding of the real world has degraded their ability to actually understand things about God by the natural light of reason."  

    Yes.... "people's understanding," as Fr. Ripperger says...."of the real world has degraded their ability to actually understand things about God by the natural light of reason."

    It is indeed tied in to cosmology and how we view the physical world.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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  • Although I can see links from false cosmology to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, I doubt others will.  But I wouldn't doubt for a minute that a full and comprehensive study could identify the connections beyond dispute.  The idea that everything's relative is directly connected to scientific relativity which gives the error a physical basis. The globe backs it all up because everything's relative on a globe. The bodies in motion theory completes the paradigm and these work together to promote the licentious world in which we live.  False ecuмenism and Modernism are natural outgrowths of these errors.  

    Well, in a sense, the video itself gives a comprehensive study of the problem regarding modern society and it's extreme ills, and the connection to the problem of modern mankind not being willing to conform to the reality of God's creation. Modern man has gone very far off the deep end, in embracing the Descartes POV, where man himself is the starting point for judging reality (as is mentioned in the video). If man is the final determiner of reality, then man can do whatever he likes, without recourse to the mind of God. Hence, IMO, we have all sorts of crazy beliefs these days.

    So, as is said in the video...."So confusion, chaos, and revolution inevitably follow, because you're starting with man." How can Man be the final determiner of reality, given his fallen nature? That's why we need Divine Revelation.

    Yes, a globe earth, as you say, backs up relativism. Modernism is a natural outgrowth of it, but most Catholics won't see that. Father does address this in the video though (the problem of modernism not conforming to God).

    Even though the priest in the video isn't a flat earther, he has the same concerns. Even though he seems to be a geocentrist, he at least has no interest at this time in bashing the flat earth. Which is a good thing, since there is common ground that we can work with.

    It would seem that a lot a geocentrists do not share the same concern about the plight of modern man as being tied to an error in cosmology/creation. But the priest in the video does see the problem. Thank goodness!
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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  • Well, in a sense, the video itself gives a comprehensive study of the problem regarding modern society and it's extreme ills, and the connection to the problem of modern mankind not being willing to conform to the reality of God's creation. Modern man has gone very far off the deep end, in embracing the Descartes POV, where man himself is the starting point for judging reality (as is mentioned in the video). If man is the final determiner of reality, then man can do whatever he likes, without recourse to the mind of God. Hence, IMO, we have all sorts of crazy beliefs these days.

    So, as is said in the video...."So confusion, chaos, and revolution inevitably follow, because you're starting with man." How can Man be the final determiner of reality, given his fallen nature? That's why we need Divine Revelation.

    Yes, a globe earth, as you say, backs up relativism. Modernism is a natural outgrowth of it, but most Catholics won't see that. Father does address this in the video though (the problem of modernism not conforming to God).

    Even though the priest in the video isn't a flat earther, he has the same concerns. Even though he seems to be a geocentrist, he at least has no interest at this time in bashing the flat earth. Which is a good thing, since there is common ground that we can work with.

    It would seem that a lot a geocentrists do not share the same concern about the plight of modern man as being tied to an error in cosmology/creation. But the priest in the video does see the problem. Thank goodness!
    Indeed Meg, all the more reason to continue discussions for the sake of the few who will listen. 

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    The modern error in cosmology is the "big bang," and perhaps "flat-earth." 
    But "flat" earth isn't as popular so it's not such a problem.
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    Even though the priest in the video isn't a flat earther, he has the same concerns. Even though he seems to be a geocentrist, he at least has no interest at this time in bashing the flat earth. Which is a good thing, since there is common ground that we can work with. 

    It would seem that a lot a geocentrists do not share the same concern about the plight of modern man as being tied to an error in cosmology/creation. But the priest in the video does see the problem. Thank goodness!
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    I hear you saying that any priest who opposes "flat-earthism" is a priest you will avoid -- as though he's a heretic?
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    The OP video touches on many important themes, and it's commendable that they're evoking this thread/discussion.
    I keep wondering, though, how much interest in this would there be here if not for your obsession with "flat" earth?
    You're watching the video and hearing the priest's message with just one thing in mind: 
    "How can I use this to argue in favor of 'flat' earth?"
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    Fortunately for you, he didn't manage to include flat-earthism as an example of misguided imagination.
    Because that's where it belongs.
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    Minute 1:06:00
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                         Has the Occult entered in, too?
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    -- The universe is one, single, eternal, ineffable substance (i.e., all comes from one... e.g., big-bang cosmology).
    -- The world is the result of a disaster (big bang?).
    -- All things progress by dialectical oppositions. The created universe is composed of paired "opposites" -- male/female, light/dark -- which generated their own equilibrium.
    -- Always start with self to become the god that you really are.
    -- All religions are variations on a single transcendent unity.
    -- Things above are as they are below: since mind and matter are one, the imagination is real, and any analogy it conceives is as good as "scientific" proof of correspondence.
    -- MYTHS (et. al., such as pyramids, astrological diagrams, mysteries) are symbolic systems of occult philosophy.
    -- Nothing is lost... eventually all becomes one... even heaven and hell are reconciled. (Dare we hope?)
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    This summary is of course filled in with many details that he provides by speaking while the list is shown (a.k.a. Power Point style). 
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    He has done a very good job in dissecting our modern ills and exposing the wiles of the devil active in today's society.
    He has obviously studied the writings of the corrupt Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, and has seen how his false teachings (e.g., the Omega Point, etc.) have become the basis for a lot of NewAge so-called Catholicism. 
    It is good for us to pay attention to these observations.
    The speaker only mentions "Chardin" at one point in this whole presentation, but Teilhardian principles are throughout it! 
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    You might think I changed the list above, and you'd be correct. I made three changes.
    But underlining the phrase the imagination is real is not one of them.
    You probably can't find the three I did make.
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    Regarding this underlined phrase, what he is talking about is the Modernist error that "reality is in the mind."
    That is the principal kingpin of all Modernism and of all erroneous modern philosophy.
    Pope St. Pius X in Pascendi domenici gregis said this very thing and expounded on it to some degree with examples.
    He used different terminology but it has the same meaning.
    Just as it is equivalent to say, the imagination is what determines reality (q.v. context), and reality is in the mind.
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    All of Modernism springs from this source, this principle, this philosophical error.
    The error begins with the philosopher, it is accepted by the theologian, and the false teaching emanates from there.
    This is how we got Vatican II, which is something that Pope St. Pius X warned us would happen. He was right.
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    This is BTW a very powerful example of the principle that one small error in the foundation can become an enormous error in the later development.

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  • Well, in a sense, the video itself gives a comprehensive study of the problem regarding modern society and it's extreme ills, and the connection to the problem of modern mankind not being willing to conform to the reality of God's creation. Modern man has gone very far off the deep end, in embracing the Descartes POV, where man himself is the starting point for judging reality (as is mentioned in the video). If man is the final determiner of reality, then man can do whatever he likes, without recourse to the mind of God. Hence, IMO, we have all sorts of crazy beliefs these days.

    So, as is said in the video...."So confusion, chaos, and revolution inevitably follow, because you're starting with man." How can Man be the final determiner of reality, given his fallen nature? That's why we need Divine Revelation.

    Yes, a globe earth, as you say, backs up relativism. Modernism is a natural outgrowth of it, but most Catholics won't see that. Father does address this in the video though (the problem of modernism not conforming to God).

    Even though the priest in the video isn't a flat earther, he has the same concerns. Even though he seems to be a geocentrist, he at least has no interest at this time in bashing the flat earth. Which is a good thing, since there is common ground that we can work with.

    It would seem that a lot a geocentrists do not share the same concern about the plight of modern man as being tied to an error in cosmology/creation. But the priest in the video does see the problem. Thank goodness!

    Exactly! the geocentric crowd isn't much motivated are they?  They act like, "Aw, NASA just sees it differently, or they lied... ho hum."   Kind of like their cosmological light was turned on, but the dimmer switch keeps them in the dark.      


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  • It would seem that a lot a geocentrists do not share the same concern about the plight of modern man as being tied to an error in cosmology/creation. But the priest in the video does see the problem. Thank goodness!

    Exactly! the geocentric crowd isn't much motivated are they?  They act like, "Aw, NASA just sees it differently, or they lied... ho hum."   Kind of like their cosmological light was turned on, but the dimmer switch keeps them in the dark.      


    Indeed, they aren't very motivated. Most geocentrists don't seem to make the connection, for the most part, to modern cosmology being tied to modernist views. They don't seem to be concerned about NASA's Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, or the occult influence at NASA and elsewhere, or anything like that. I don't recall that Sungenis, for instance, or Neil, is concerned at all about how modern cosmology has contributed in a big way to the modernist view. They don't really care. But flat earthers at least do care. And the priest in the video cares. But that's unusual. Sungenis, for example, wants to spend more time basing FE, rather than bashing modernism and modern science.

    For most geocentrists, modern science still reigns supreme and they are fine with it replacing religion in the areas of natural science. They just want to switch up the place of the earth with the sun, so that the sun revolves around the earth. They don't seem to care about much else. 

    They also seem to enjoy having a certain authority, in that they believe that they have far more knowledge of cosmology, physics, and math, and therefore they have the only true view. Humility in the face of God's creation doesn't seem to have a place for them. The priest in the video is an exception, of course. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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  • Indeed, they aren't very motivated. Most geocentrists don't seem to make the connection, for the most part, to modern cosmology being tied to modernist views. They don't seem to be concerned about NASA's Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, or the occult influence at NASA and elsewhere, or anything like that. I don't recall that Sungenis, for instance, or Neil, is concerned at all about how modern cosmology has contributed in a big way to the modernist view. They don't really care. But flat earthers at least do care. And the priest in the video cares. But that's unusual. Sungenis, for example, wants to spend more time basing FE, rather than bashing modernism and modern science.

    For most geocentrists, modern science still reigns supreme and they are fine with it replacing religion in the areas of natural science. They just want to switch up the place of the earth with the sun, so that the sun revolves around the earth. They don't seem to care about much else.

    They also seem to enjoy having a certain authority, in that they believe that they have far more knowledge of cosmology, physics, and math, and therefore they have the only true view. Humility in the face of God's creation doesn't seem to have a place for them. The priest in the video is an exception, of course.
    The main reason flat earthers are concerned is because modern science is lying on a grand scale for control in the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and its religion. Obviously, the new religion is at the expense of everything Catholic.  Sadly, Catholics pooh-poohed the concern laid out in detail here for the last couple of years.  They said: Modern cosmology is not occult, or pagan, or false, has nothing to do with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ or government control, it's science!" Now they are having to eat their words.  Sadly people can't hear truth unless someone with letters after his name comes along, which is odd, since all along Scripture and the Church provided the authority of truth.  Several of the geocentric crowd have FINALLY expressed concern, as priests and laity are beginning to open their eyes, all to the chagrin of those who wish the warnings would go away.  The danger of false cosmology is obvious if one takes the care to consider it.
    Your statement that they just want to switch up the place of earth and sun is so true.  Their attempts to put a band-aid on what amounts to a severed leg is bad enough, but to fight people who want to help stop the hemorrhaging is mind boggling.        

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    I know, it's upsetting....
                       
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  • The main reason flat earthers are concerned is because modern science is lying on a grand scale for control in the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and its religion. Obviously, the new religion is at the expense of everything Catholic.  Sadly, Catholics pooh-poohed the concern laid out in detail here for the last couple of years.  They said: Modern cosmology is not occult, or pagan, or false, has nothing to do with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ or government control, it's science!" Now they are having to eat their words.  Sadly people can't hear truth unless someone with letters after his name comes along, which is odd, since all along Scripture and the Church provided the authority of truth.  Several of the geocentric crowd have FINALLY expressed concern, as priests and laity are beginning to open their eyes, all to the chagrin of those who wish the warnings would go away.  The danger of false cosmology is obvious if one takes the care to consider it.
    Your statement that they just want to switch up the place of earth and sun is so true.  Their attempts to put a band-aid on what amounts to a severed leg is bad enough, but to fight people who want to help stop the hemorrhaging is mind boggling.        

    One would think that they would have to eat their words, as you mention above, but they would first have to admit to the problem, which they have not done, to any great extent.

    Neil, the UNHINGED ONE, acknowledges very little. He doesn't care one whit about the ramifications of a false cosmology. He only wants to bash flat earthers, who do care.

    I've watched about half of the second video. It seems to be mostly about Fatima and its relation to creation. Very interesting.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    The error begins with the philosopher, it is accepted by the theologian, and the false teaching emanates from there.

    This is how we got Vatican II, which is something that Pope St. Pius X warned us would happen. He was right.
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    This is BTW a very powerful example of the principle that one small error in the foundation can become an enormous error in the later development.
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    One small error in the foundation can become an enormous error in later development.
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  • One would think that they would have to eat their words, as you mention above, but they would first have to admit to the problem, which they have not done, to any great extent.

    Neil, the UNHINGED ONE, acknowledges very little. He doesn't care one whit about the ramifications of a false cosmology. He only wants to bash flat earthers, who do care.

    I've watched about half of the second video. It seems to be mostly about Fatima and its relation to creation. Very interesting.
    I love these hidden gem videos that help to expose the great beauty of the Catholic Faith!  Enjoying it with someone is even better.  You've been a trooper, Meg, watching all the videos and stuff, taking notes (which I will def use).  It makes is that much easier to endure the nonsense.   :cowboy: