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Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2017, 01:32:18 PM »
I don't really understand why there's such hostility toward flat-earthers. Cassini even goes so far as to say that it's a sin against the Catholic Faith to believe in a flat earth. Which is ridiculous. I certainly would never say that it's a sin to believe in a globe earth, since our salvation isn't dependent on what we believe the shape of the earth to be.

I believe that a flat earth lends itself to a stronger belief in God, in that, for example, when we pray, our prayers are offered to God who is ABOVE us. Aren't our prayers as to be as incense going up to God, as it is described in Holy Mass?

On a spherical earth, which direction is God? I've not yet seen a globe-earther who can answer this. Since Our Lord sits on the right hand of God the Father, then it seems only logical that God the Father is above us. The ancient Hebrews believed in a flat-plane earth. They based their belief on what is written in the Old Testament account of the earth. Globe-earthers seem to believe the ancient Hebrews were wrong to believe in a flat earth.  

What I said was that it was a sin in my opinion to USE THE CATHOLIC FAITH to try to get people to believe in a flat erarth. A flat earth has NOTHING to do with the Catholic faith IN ANY WAY. That is my main reason to opppose this video and other such posts.

It seems you are unable to answer the scientific and practical reasons that show that we do not live on a flat-earth. Instead you come up with the garbage that only a flat earth has an UP for God and heaven. To be honest this is a debate I cannot believe has any credibility left to it.
 
It sounds to me some are regurgitating the past.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Speculations concerning the rotundity of the earth and the possible existence of human beings "with their feet turned towards ours" were of interest to the Fathers of the Early Church only in so far as they seemed to encroach upon the fundamental Christian dogma of the unity of the human race, and the consequent universality of original sin and redemption. This is clearly seen from the following passage of St. Augustine (City of God XVI.9):

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"As to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets on us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours, there is no reason for believing it. Those who affirm it do not claim to possess any actual information; they merely conjecture that, since the earth is suspended within the concavity of the heavens, and there is as much room on the one side of it as on the other, therefore the part which is beneath cannot be void of human inhabitants. They fail to notice that, even should it be believed or demonstrated that the world is round or spherical inform, it does not follow that the part of the earth opposite to us is not completely covered with water, or that any conjectured dry land there should be inhabited by men. For Scripture, which confirms the truth of its historical statements by the accomplishment of its prophecies, teaches not falsehood; and it is too absurd to say that some men might have set sail from this side and, traversing the immense expanse of ocean, have propagated there a race of human beings descended from that one first man."

This opinion of St. Augustine was commonly held until the progress of science, whilst confirming his main contention that the human race is one, dissipated the scruples arising from a defective knowledge of geography. A singular exception occurs to us in the middle of the eighth century. From a letter of Pope St. Zachary (1 May, 748, addressed to St. Boniface, we learn that the great Apostle of Germany had invoked the papal censure upon a certain missionary among the Bavarians named Vergilius, generally supposed to be identical with the renowned Ferghil, an Irishman, and later Archbishop of Salzburg. Among other alleged misdeeds and errors was numbered that of holding "that beneath the earth there was another world and other men, another sun and moon". In reply, the Pope directs St. Boniface to convoke a council and, "if it be made clear" that Vergilius adheres to this "perverse teaching, contrary to the Lord and to his own soul", to "expel him from the Church, deprived of his priestly dignity". This is the only information that we possess regarding an incident which is made to figure largely in the imaginary warfare between theology and science.
That Vergilius was ever really tried, condemned, or forced to retract, is an assumption without any foundation in history. On the contrary, if he was in fact the future Archbishop of Salzburg, it is more natural to conclude that he succeeded in convincing his censors that by "other men" he did not understand a race of human beings not descended from Adam and redeemed by the Lord; for it is patent that this was the feature of his teaching which appeared to the Pope to be "perverse" and "contrary to the Lord".


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Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2017, 01:42:32 PM »
What I said was that it was a sin in my opinion to USE THE CATHOLIC FAITH to try to get people to believe in a flat erarth. A flat earth has NOTHING to do with the Catholic faith IN ANY WAY. That is my main reason to opppose this video and other such posts.

It seems you are unable to answer the scientific and practical reasons that show that we do not live on a flat-earth. Instead you come up with the garbage that only a flat earth has an UP for God and heaven. To be honest this is a debate I cannot believe has any credibility left to it.
 
It sounds to me some are regurgitating the past.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Speculations concerning the rotundity of the earth and the possible existence of human beings "with their feet turned towards ours" were of interest to the Fathers of the Early Church only in so far as they seemed to encroach upon the fundamental Christian dogma of the unity of the human race, and the consequent universality of original sin and redemption. This is clearly seen from the following passage of St. Augustine (City of God XVI.9):

This opinion of St. Augustine was commonly held until the progress of science, whilst confirming his main contention that the human race is one, dissipated the scruples arising from a defective knowledge of geography. A singular exception occurs to us in the middle of the eighth century. From a letter of Pope St. Zachary (1 May, 748, addressed to St. Boniface, we learn that the great Apostle of Germany had invoked the papal censure upon a certain missionary among the Bavarians named Vergilius, generally supposed to be identical with the renowned Ferghil, an Irishman, and later Archbishop of Salzburg. Among other alleged misdeeds and errors was numbered that of holding "that beneath the earth there was another world and other men, another sun and moon". In reply, the Pope directs St. Boniface to convoke a council and, "if it be made clear" that Vergilius adheres to this "perverse teaching, contrary to the Lord and to his own soul", to "expel him from the Church, deprived of his priestly dignity". This is the only information that we possess regarding an incident which is made to figure largely in the imaginary warfare between theology and science.
That Vergilius was ever really tried, condemned, or forced to retract, is an assumption without any foundation in history. On the contrary, if he was in fact the future Archbishop of Salzburg, it is more natural to conclude that he succeeded in convincing his censors that by "other men" he did not understand a race of human beings not descended from Adam and redeemed by the Lord; for it is patent that this was the feature of his teaching which appeared to the Pope to be "perverse" and "contrary to the Lord".

Cassini,

I'm not going to respond to you further. Your contempt for flat-earthers and their (our) views is obvious, and it makes no sense to debate with you. I'm not so good with the scientific end of the issue. Even so, I would be willing to try to debate with a well-intentioned person who does not agree with the flat earth. You are not well-intentioned. You are hostile. 


Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2017, 11:05:53 PM »
Is the any occurrence in Church teaching that declares the Earth is flat?

Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2017, 11:19:52 AM »
To all the heliocentric model believers, the Church has spoken.  Heliocentrism is condemned.  There are two other doctrinal teachings on the subject as well: 1. Jerusalem is in the center of the earth. 2. There are no antipodes, that is, no one is walking around upside down to other people.  Of all the saints that taught anything about the subject of the flat earth, all described in some detail the form of the earth--flat and joined to the firmament of heaven.  Some, like Aquinas only mention their contrary beliefs and do not teach on the subject at all.  One hundred percent of pagans espouse, promote and bully people regarding the heliocentric round earth as an integral teaching of their model.  

      Modern Geocentrism, (MG) is a modern substitute for heliocentrism, with its stationary globe hanging in space. It is a theory incompatible with scripture and historical Geocentric cosmology.  How can earth be a foundation, a foot stool for God, and actually have a face as scripture describes, when it is a ball hanging mid-air? MG is nothing less than the fraternal twin of Heliocentrism (Copernican/Pythagorean doctrines). It is an intermediate catch-all that rescues many pagan cosmological lies because thinking people know we aren't moving at break neck speed around the universe. Other than the movement of the earth, MG is virtually identical to the Heliocentric tales that spawned bloody revolutions, evolution, millions-year-old-earth, global warming, alien life, space indoctrination, Godless origins, and all notions inherent to the atheistic Big Bang theory.  In MG the water above the firmament is denied or dismissed.  Do they really have proof that our sun is 100 million miles away but still under the dome?  That's some big dome and ginormous earth! And where’s the water above the firmament in the MG theory?  Are stars and planets in or out of the ‘globe’ firmament?  They never say.  Distance from earth to the sun, moon and stars remains identical in MG as the Heliocentric theory, and both are contrary to scripture and Church teaching (above).  In 'outer space', stars are said to be enormous and Venus and Mars are said to be planets of terrain, things easily proven false with a simple camera.  Back on earth relativity dominates, demanding outrageous explanations for water sticking to the outside of a ball.  Things like gravity, dark matter, string theory, antimatter and evolution, and the Big Bang, etc.  In MG, the horizon is no longer horizontal, let alone true or level; directions and measurements quickly become contradictory, explained away, or outright denied.  Up isn't up anymore, level isn't level, curve isn't really curve.  Casuistry, imprecision, equivocation and therefore perfidious lies remain empowered in MG.   There are only two models ever considered in the scientific world: heliocentrism (with the globe) and geocentrism (flat earth).  And heliocentrism has been condemned.  

Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2017, 11:26:09 AM »
   Why do 'geocentric' Catholics argue that earth is fixed and stationary based on scripture, saying, “Scripture is to be believed because God says earth is fixed and the sun moves”, but undermine their first argument when it comes to flat earth passages, saying, “Scripture is not to be interpreted literally”?

      The flip flopping contortions of heliocentric believers is outrageous.