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Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2017, 11:28:44 AM »
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  • Also, St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine teach that human senses are infallible.  So when people see flat water, know that water surface is flat viewing it that way over and over and over and over again, we KNOW water doesn't curve and stick to the outside of a ball earth.   


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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #31 on: July 29, 2017, 11:31:25 AM »
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  •       What then can be more absurd than the Pagan doctrine that the earth is in the |xvii middle of the universe? Here then the Pagans are at war with divine Scripture; but, not content with this, they are at war also with common sense itself and the very laws of nature, declaring, as they do, that the earth is a central sphere, and that there are Antipodes, who must be standing head-downward and on whom the rain must fall up. --Introduction, Christian Topography, Cosmas Indiocopleustes 550 AD 


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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #32 on: July 29, 2017, 11:32:55 AM »
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  • .  In Christian Topography, Cosmas of Indiocopleustes… “refuted from Scripture and common sense the impious Pagan cosmography, according to which the earth is a sphere.”  550 AD.

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #33 on: July 29, 2017, 11:40:05 AM »
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  • The great authority of Augustine, and the cogency of his scriptural argument, held the Church firmly against the doctrine of the antipodes; all schools of interpretation were now agreed--the followers of the allegorical tendencies of Alexandria, the strictly literals exegetes of Syria, the more eclectic theologians of the West. For over a thousand years it was held in the Church, "always, everywhere, and by all," that there could not be human beings on the opposite sides of the earth, even if the earth had opposite sides; and, when attacked by gainsayers the great mass of true believers, from the fourth century to the fifteenth, simply used that opiate which had so soothing an effect on John Henry Newman in the nineteenth century--securus judicat orbis terrarum.

    pg 104 War Between Science and Theology…White


    Bishop Isidore of Seville (560-636) taught in his widely read encyclopedia, The etymologies, that the earth was round.  While some writers have thought he referred to a spherical Earth, this and other writings make it clear that he considered the earth to be a disk of wheel shaped.  Isidore did not admit the possibility of people dwelling at the antipodes, considering them as legendary, and noting that there was no evidence for their existence. --The Esoteric Codex: Dynamics of the Celestial Spheres



          So now, where oh where are the Catholic teachings of a spherical earth?


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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #34 on: July 29, 2017, 11:49:11 AM »
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  • Heliocentric nonsense:



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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #35 on: July 29, 2017, 11:55:47 AM »
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  • Surveyor and Engineer of thirty years wrote to the Birmingham Weekly Mercury, Feb. 15th, 1890 stating, “I am thoroughly acquainted with the theory and practice of civil engineering. However bigoted some of our professors may be in the theory of surveying according to the prescribed rules, yet it is well known amongst us that such theoretical measurements are INCAPABLE OF ANY PRACTICAL ILLUSTRATION.  All our locomotives are designed to run on what may be regarded as TRUE LEVELS or FLATS.  There are, of course, partial inclines or gradients here and there, but they are always accurately defined and must be carefully traversed.  But anything approaching to eight inches in the mile, increasing as the square of the distance, COULD NOT BE WORKED BY ANY ENGINE THAT WAS EVER YET CONSTRUCTED.  Taking one station with another all over England and Scotland, it may be stated that all the platforms are ON THE SAME RELATIVE LEVEL.  The distance between Eastern and Western coasts of England may be set down as 300 miles.  If the prescribed curvature was indeed as represented, the central stations at Rugby or Warwick ought to be close upon three miles higher than a chord drawn from the two extremities.  If such was the case there is not a driver or stoker within the Kingdom that would be found to take charge of the train.  We can only laugh at those of your readers who seriously give us credit for such venturesome exploits, as running trains round spherical curves. Horizontal curves on levels are dangerous enough, vertical curves would be a thousand times worse, and with our rolling stock constructed as at present physically impossible.”

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #36 on: July 29, 2017, 12:02:58 PM »
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  • If the earth is flat why not just sail to the edge and send us picture?

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #37 on: July 29, 2017, 12:13:04 PM »
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  • Is the any occurrence in Church teaching that declares the Earth is flat?
    Again, has the Church ever officially declared the Earth is flat?  While I do not believe the Church has ever declared the Earth is flat, I am interested in any reference to the contrary.
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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #38 on: July 29, 2017, 12:38:08 PM »
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  • "the roundness of the Earth, for not without reason is it called 'the orb of the world' on the pages of Holy Scripture and of ordinary literature. It is, in fact, set like a sphere in the middle of the whole universe." -Saint Bede (De temporum ratione, 32).
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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #39 on: July 29, 2017, 12:47:31 PM »
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  • Again, has the Church ever officially declared the Earth is flat?  While I do not believe the Church has ever declared the Earth is flat, I am interested in any reference to the contrary.
    Scripture, Church Fathers, Pope Alexander VII and a myriad of saints have weighed in on the geocentric/heliocentric question.  Not even one saintly or authoritative Father or Doctor or saint has taught otherwise.  The geocentric system is necessarily a flat earth cosmology.  There is plenty of proof on which side the Catholic Church sits, especially since She officially condemned heliocentrism during the Galileo Affair.  The only people who ever promoted heliocentric round earth throughout the centuries were pagans and their heliocentric model cannot be believed--official Church teaching.  And the kicker is, there is no scientific proof for a round heliocentric earth/cosmology.  All scientific proof shows earth is flat and stationary and that the sun, moon and stars revolve around it under the firmament. The Church doesn't have to officially say "earth is flat" in order for Catholics to know its flat, with a dome, bound to the heavens like a block of stone, set on pillars, with four corners, at the bottom of the universe, like a footstool for God, with a face, never to be moved, as scripture describes.  Just like the people waited until the 19th century to hear the words officially from the Church that Mary was immaculately conceived, they will have to wait for the "official" statement that earth is flat. However, the proof is there for those who want to know. Further, because the damage from pagan cosmology promotes evolution, a Godless creation, false science, relativism, atheism, imprecision and lies, there is no reason to hold such a theory.    

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #40 on: July 29, 2017, 12:57:03 PM »
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  • "the roundness of the Earth, for not without reason is it called 'the orb of the world' on the pages of Holy Scripture and of ordinary literature. It is, in fact, set like a sphere in the middle of the whole universe." -Saint Bede (De temporum ratione, 32).
    This statement can only be understood in light of what the Church has always taught.  What isn't clear by Bede's statement is the fuller picture of how the Church Fathers and saints understood it.  That creation is indeed a sphere, with the firmament being the top of the sphere, flat earth where people live in the center, and the pit of hell at the bottom, together forming a globe.  Pictures of this are represented in many bibles, both ancient and new. 



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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #41 on: July 29, 2017, 01:02:56 PM »
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  • Scripture, Church Fathers, Pope Alexander VII and a myriad of saints    
    Once again, I requested any reference where the Church teaches the world is flat.  
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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #42 on: July 29, 2017, 01:04:09 PM »
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  • If the earth is flat why not just sail to the edge and send us picture?
    Lucky for you, someone has recently been to the "edge" and has seen where the dome meets the earth.  Cosmas of Indiocopleustes and other explorers also explain exactly what it looks like which is identical to the Encyclopedia.  So, while I haven't been there, others have and described it for us.      

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #43 on: July 29, 2017, 01:07:40 PM »
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  • Once again, I requested any reference where the Church teaches the world is flat.  
    Once again, read what's posted before you continue to demand.  What is posted here is more than sufficient to address the question, unless you care to learn something and I can continue for days on end.  There is that much proof that the Catholic Church teaches geocentric flat earth and condemns the pagan heliocentric globe.  And for those who have Faith, in the Church, in scripture, in truth, no additional proof is needed.  For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible.  Take what you will.   

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    Re: Catholic intro video to Flat Earth
    « Reply #44 on: July 29, 2017, 01:13:36 PM »
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  • Are you unable to produce a single reference to the Church teaching that the Earth is flat?  
    Conjecture, reasoning, and speculation aside, I'm sure you must have at least one authoritative reference you can share
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