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Offline Jaynek

Re: Catholic Flatearth Believers
« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2019, 03:02:40 PM »
Quote from: Marys Anawim on December 03, 2019, 02:25:55 PM
We are flat earthers and would like to see the topic more openly discussed among catholics...it is sad to see that protestants...who have so many errors and heretical teachings...discuss and give proof of the flat earth...although not an article for salvation within catholic teaching...I believe it is an important topic...
Here are the words of St. Basil of Caesarea (a Father of the Church) in the Hexameron:  

Those who have written about the nature of the universe have discussed at length the shape of the earth. If it be spherical or cylindrical, if it resemble a disc and is equally rounded in all parts, or if it has the forth of a winnowing basket and is hollow in the middle; [1693] all these conjectures have been suggested by cosmographers, each one upsetting that of his predecessor. It will not lead me to give less importance to the creation of the universe, that the servant of God, Moses, is silent as to shapes; he has not said that the earth is a hundred and eighty thousand furlongs in circuŠ¼ference; he has not measured into what extent of air its shadow projects itself whilst the sun revolves around it, nor stated how this shadow, casting itself upon the moon, produces eclipses. He has passed over in silence, as useless, all that is unimportant for us. Shall I then prefer foolish wisdom to the oracles of the Holy Spirit? Shall I not rather exalt Him who, not wishing to fill our minds with these vanities, has regulated all the economy of Scripture in view of the edification and the making perfect of our souls? It is this which those seem to me not to have understood, who, giving themselves up to the distorted meaning of allegory, have undertaken to give a majesty of their own invention to Scripture. It is to believe themselves wiser than the Holy Spirit, and to bring forth their own ideas under a pretext of exegesis. Let us hear Scripture as it has been written.

Note that St. Basil, like St. Augustine, taught that Scripture was silent on the shape of the earth.  And the reason for this silence is that the matter is unimportant.
The idea that Scripture teaches a flat earth is yet another Protestant error in interpretation.  St. Basil says that it is distorting the meaning of Scripture and refers to it as foolish and as vanity.  If you are interested in the salvation of souls, focus on real Catholic teachings.  
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Offline Jaynek

Re: Catholic Flatearth Believers
« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2019, 03:08:04 PM »
Quote from: Meg on December 03, 2019, 02:52:54 PM
Keep in mind, if you decide to debate the topic further, that certain forum members will do everything that they can to stop you (and us) from debating it. The way I'm dealing with them is to just ignore them, for the most part.

Producing one piece of evidence after another that shows how you are wrong, as I do, is exactly what a person should do when engaged in debate.  You ignore me, not because I am stopping you from debating, but because you are incapable of answering.
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Offline Tradman

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Re: Catholic Flatearth Believers
« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2019, 04:45:01 PM »
Quote from: Marys Anawim on December 03, 2019, 02:25:55 PM
We are flat earthers and would like to see the topic more openly discussed among catholics...it is sad to see that protestants...who have so many errors and heretical teachings...discuss and give proof of the flat earth...although not an article for salvation within catholic teaching...I believe it is an important topic...the earths surface is flat but the whole of the earth is more like a sphere in the fact that there is the great deep and hell and purgatory then our domain then the skies above and the firmament and then the waters above the firmament.
So many things became clearer to me with the understanding of the flat earth and it strengthened my faith...not in Jesus as savior but in God and his creation...I always doubted the heliocentric theory but just accepted it because they had pics and that is what I was taught...but it never sat right within me...now I know why and it has helped me in many ways.
Yes, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg revealed about creation.  How much more is buried in docuŠ¼ents for opening the mind of men?  God is so near, right above us, dwelling on earth and ruling from above. Rev 5:3 comes to mind as one of the more obvious expressions of the three areas of creation:   
"And no man was able, neither in heaven, nor on earth, nor under the earth, to open the book, nor to look on it."  

No one in heaven, or hell or on earth. Only Christ, the Master of the 'house'. Beautiful.
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Offline Tradman

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Re: Catholic Flatearth Believers
« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2019, 04:51:50 PM »
Quote from: Meg on December 03, 2019, 02:52:54 PM
It's nice to have your input, Marys.

It would indeed be good to see FE discussed more openly. And you're right - it's the Prots who are to ones who are really discussing it, because they actually believe Scripture. Traditional Catholics - not so much - when it comes to the shape of the earth.  

I agree that the whole of the earth is like a sphere, if we include the firmament, the waters above the firmament, and the great deep with hell and purgatory below. It just makes sense.
And yes, so may things become clearer with the understanding of the flat earth; that is, if we have faith in God and His creation.

I know what you mean about the heliocentric theory - I remember when I was a child in grade school - the globe earth didn't make sense to me then, but I accepted it, like most everyone else.

The flat earth makes a lot more sense than a globe earth.

Keep in mind, if you decide to debate the topic further, that certain forum members will do everything that they can to stop you (and us) from debating it. The way I'm dealing with them is to just ignore them, for the most part.
That's really sad, that someone could be so intimidated, especially when they have no other input other than condemnation.    
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Offline Mass12

Re: Catholic Flatearth Believers
« Reply #69 on: December 04, 2019, 09:15:05 AM »
Quote from: Jaynek on December 03, 2019, 12:56:01 PM
Could you show me some of the clear teachings from the Fathers about the firmament being a dome bound to the edges?  I have never seen any.

I have no interest in the science aspects of the issue.  I just object to false claims about Church teaching and history.  The Church has never taught flat earth and through most of her history Catholics have believed the earth is a globe.  
Why do you have no interest in the science of the issue?
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