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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Biblical Flat Earth
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2023, 05:18:59 PM »
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  • For what reason would anyone believe NASA and globalists against everything else?

    There's enough provable fraud from NASA to fill a volume larger than Dr. Sungenis' books.

    Offline Always

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #61 on: August 14, 2023, 05:25:18 PM »
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  •  Conversely, sea level denies any possible credibility that earth is a globe. The horizon denies it. Water surface of large bodies denies it. The Nile River denies it. Sextants, theodolites, compasses, sundials, lasers, railguns, gyroscopes, telescopes and cameras all deny it.  Railroad engineers denied it.  Airplanes deny it.  Flight paths deny it.  Stars deny it. The sun denies it. Math denies it.  Experiments both professional and non professional deny it.  History denies it.  Reason denies it.  Scripture denies it.  Saints and Fathers deny it. 

    Does God deny it?


    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #62 on: August 14, 2023, 10:11:00 PM »
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  • "the Biblical truth of FE"  Hmm.  I guess that settles it.

    Just admit you have no answer.  No shame in that.  I turned the tables on your smart-guy routine and you responded with...absolutely nothing.  
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #63 on: August 14, 2023, 10:12:25 PM »
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  • Does God deny it?

    God tells us there is a FIRMAMENT that divides the waters above and below it.  Do YOU deny His word on the matter?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

    Offline Croixalist

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #64 on: August 14, 2023, 10:40:33 PM »
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  • At the very least, the NASA ball floating in space model is utterly incompatible with the cosmology detailed by Sacred Scripture, with the firmament keeping waters from the earth.  From a theological perspective, I might be willing to entertain a ball, provided that the firmament is explained ... and by explained I do not mean explained away, as referring to "space".

    From a scientific perspective, I would require some other explanation other than "refraction" (which is preposterous) to explain the myriad examples of being able to see too far that have been recorded.  Perhaps if someone came up with and could demonstrate a plausible theory where light bends consistently around the globe due to the electrical charge of the earth ... something like that.

    It's been awhile since I've perused this topic and I'm not up to speed on any of the many extended arguments flowing out from it, but I feel like I can take a sonic ping from the other side of this argument, no matter how harsh. It's good to get a gauge on how an unpopular opinion lands.

    Aside from the readily observable practical proofs of a globe Earth revolving around the Sun (the shadows as observed by the Greeks, the night sky differences from pole to pole) that had they been wildly wrong would have meant that navigators wouldn't be using great circle distance in place of rhumb lines for any significant length on an otherwise flat map, categorizing this as some sort of grave deception that feeds into a greater crisis is completely wrong and unnecessary. There is a perfectly legitimate way in which we can have a heliocentric spherical solar system without contradicting the spirit in which they were established in the Genesis narrative. If and only if it could be argued that somehow the standard model of the solar system is intrinsically and irretrievably harmful to the true Faith would I ever consider insulting someone else over it. Clearly people like Ladislaus are fine with this proposition, but I can't see how.

    Some of the other stuff like the missing or severely reduced firmament could be attributed to the effects of the Flood but like Job, we weren't meant to line up the entire narrative with scientific proofs and observation either. 

    There is no other heavenly body than the Sun used to describe the glory of God or His power or His righteousness. The fire that consumed the sacrifice and licked up the water in the trenches came from the Heavens not the bowels of the Earth, which by the way, we are told contain Hell itself. The Earth in its comparative lowliness revolves around the Sun, as we also do (along with the rest of Creation) around the Son of God. This in my view is a perfect natural analogy to our proper orientation towards Him. The light from the Sun provides the foundation for our physical life process on Earth but even our Churches are built to anticipate the rising of it. His name is Oriens and for once our English is perfectly adapted to recognizing aspects of the Son through the figure of the Sun.

    I've heard the argument that it borders on blasphemy or heresy to suggest the Earth doesn't occupy the exact center of the universe because our Lord Himself lived and died on it, but the fact that in order to appear on Earth He had to humble Himself first and submit to placing a veil over His appearance. If pride of place really took precedence concerning where he physically walked, why wouldn't he have appeared in the center of the flat Earth and some obscure distance from it? Why should the Earth so divinely touched then be dissolved in an instant and by the form of Divine fire at the end of time? It's like placing the horse before the seal.

    So to sum up, I really don't see the theological need to defend a flat Earth anymore than I have to defend a square Earth with 4 corners.
    Fortuna finem habet.


    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #65 on: August 14, 2023, 10:45:49 PM »
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  • There is a perfectly legitimate way in which we can have a heliocentric spherical solar system without contradicting the spirit in which they were established in the Genesis narrative. 

    Au contraire.  You are gravely mistaken and even the GEs here who know their Faith would agree with me.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #66 on: August 14, 2023, 10:51:53 PM »
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  •  Conversely, sea level denies any possible credibility that earth is a globe. The horizon denies it. Water surface of large bodies denies it. The Nile River denies it. Sextants, theodolites, compasses, sundials, lasers, railguns, gyroscopes, telescopes and cameras all deny it.  Railroad engineers denied it.  Airplanes deny it.  Flight paths deny it.  Stars deny it. The sun denies it. Math denies it.  Experiments both professional and non professional deny it.  History denies it.  Reason denies it.  Scripture denies it.  Saints and Fathers deny it.  For what reason would anyone believe NASA and globalists against everything else?
      

    I'm still waiting for an answer as in yes or no or I don't know.  Does God deny it?

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #67 on: August 14, 2023, 10:55:25 PM »
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  • I'm still waiting for an answer as in yes or no or I don't know.  Does God deny it?

    You posted your question for Tradman but a few hours ago.  Maybe he has a life, unlike you.  Just be patient, and if that isn't possible, that is your problem.

    You are here now, have certainly read my question for you, but failed to answer.  Do YOU deny what God has revealed regarding a FIRMAMENT that divides the waters above and below it?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #68 on: August 14, 2023, 11:06:23 PM »
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  • Au contraire.  You are gravely mistaken and even the GEs here who know their Faith would agree with me.
    If Pope St. Pius X believed that it was a grave error, or an error at all, he would have at least mentioned it once.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #69 on: August 14, 2023, 11:08:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: Tradman on Today at 05:06:51 PM
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     Conversely, sea level denies any possible credibility that earth is a globe. The horizon denies it. Water surface of large bodies denies it. The Nile River denies it. Sextants, theodolites, compasses, sundials, lasers, railguns, gyroscopes, telescopes and cameras all deny it.  Railroad engineers denied it.  Airplanes deny it.  Flight paths deny it.  Stars deny it. The sun denies it. Math denies it.  Experiments both professional and non professional deny it.  History denies it.  Reason denies it.  Scripture denies it.  Saints and Fathers deny it.  For what reason would anyone believe NASA and globalists against everything else?
      

    Hey, jump in sport.  No sense in holding things up.  You can answer the question for him.  I'm sure he won't mind.  Does God deny it?

    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #70 on: August 14, 2023, 11:08:57 PM »
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  • If Pope St. Pius X believed that it was a grave error, or an error at all, he would have at least mentioned it once.

    :laugh1:

    He didn't need to, considering his predecessors had already condemned it well before he was born.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #71 on: August 14, 2023, 11:19:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Tradman on Today at 05:06:51 PM
    Hey, jump in sport.  No sense in holding things up.  You can answer the question for him.  I'm sure he won't mind.  Does God deny it?

    I already jumped in, turned the tables on you and bitch-slapped you like the punk you are.  Do YOU deny the FIRMAMENT God revealed that divides the waters above and below it?  Yes or No.

    Yes, God, the Author of Nature, through all we actually see, observe and measure, utterly denies it by proving, everywhere and at every moment, the contrary.  Now go get your favorite Soy-Boy drink from Star-cucks to console your lame ass.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #72 on: August 14, 2023, 11:39:39 PM »
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  • :laugh1:

    He didn't need to, considering his predecessors had already condemned it well before he was born.
    Of course he needed to if it was still a problem. That's his duty! If you honestly hold that it's a grave error, there were far more adherents of it at that time than there were modernists. Was there anyone writing about it in the 19th much less early 20th century? It seems to me they had completely moved on from the subject. If you can name a single hold-out from that era condemning this galactic deception, I'd be surprised but not swayed. This was a complete non-issue until about 10 years ago.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #73 on: August 15, 2023, 12:19:05 AM »
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  • I already jumped in, turned the tables on you and bitch-slapped you like the punk you are.  Do YOU deny the FIRMAMENT God revealed that divides the waters above and below it?  Yes or No.

    Yes, God, the Author of Nature, through all we actually see, observe and measure, utterly denies it by proving, everywhere and at every moment, the contrary.  Now go get your favorite Soy-Boy drink from Star-cucks to console your lame ass.
    Back to your infantile insults I see.  What a man!  What a show of strength!  Seems to be your forte and your fallback position.  Yeah, let's see if we can intimidate him by piling on the infantile name calling even though it bears no connection to reality.  

    Perhaps, you think you're slick by answering your own question above.  Fact of the matter is you still haven't answered the question I posed to you.  Can you not answer it?  Here we go one more time.

    I asked you a simple direct question: Does God deny that the earth is a globe?  YES or NO or I DON'T KNOW.



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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #74 on: August 15, 2023, 04:02:22 AM »
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  • Back to your infantile insults I see.  What a man!  What a show of strength!  Seems to be your forte and your fallback position.  Yeah, let's see if we can intimidate him by piling on the infantile name calling even though it bears no connection to reality. 

    Perhaps, you think you're slick by answering your own question above.  Fact of the matter is you still haven't answered the question I posed to you.  Can you not answer it?  Here we go one more time.

    I asked you a simple direct question: Does God deny that the earth is a globe?  YES or NO or I DON'T KNOW.

    ^^^^ this