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Biblical Flat Earth
« on: August 06, 2023, 04:03:13 PM »
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    I hope that you would be willing to look into something regarding the subject, namely the fact that the biblical flat earth differs from the "zetetic" north pole centered flat earth that has been popularised on the internet.

    The biblical cosmography involves a three level world wherein the earth is the middle-realm; it is a four cornered house/tabernacle shaped structure with a circular firmament resting on the four cornered walls at the ends of the earth (the circular firmament is the circle of the earth to which Isaias referred; the land-earth itself is square). Jerusalem, and more specifically the location where Christ was crucified, is the center of the created world, and Europe, Asia and Africa (middangeard, called the oikouménē, the habitation of men, by the ancient Greeks) are surrounded by the Great Sea, beyond which lies the four cornered continent of Eden. I believe the mountain of the Terrestrial Paradise is located on the north-eastern part of that continent which NASA and the UN want to hide. The masonic grandmaster sits on the east side of the masonic temple because he wants to usurp the Throne of God.

    The Bering Strait does not exist; there were plans years ago to build a bridge connecting Alaska to Russia but it never came to pass because it is impossible; you cannot go to Russia westwards which simply leads to the Edenic continent.

    Possibly the human servants of the dark powers were worried about the geocentrism of Robert Sungenis, fearing that people would go further and find the true biblical flat earth; so did they launch the protestant "zetetic" fake FE of Rowbotham on YT through the esotericist Eric Dubay to prevent that? Had they not expected their "zetetic" psyop to get such explosive adherence as it did, and were they fearing how widespread the exposure of NASA deception had become? Is that why in 2018 they manipulated the algorithm so that FE videos became hidden (the change was sudden, on a specific day that year the algorithm was manipulated while the day before people could still find the new videos with the search function)?

    According to the Noachian Fragment among the Enochian writings Noah went to the ends of the earth to call upon his ancestor Enoch; Enoch at that time was in the Terrestrial Paradise, and this in ancient times was held to be in the East of the world. The "zetetic" version of eastward direction contradicts this, Gan-Eden being at the eastern end of the earth (the "zetetic" version claims that there is only a southern end of the earth).

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #1 on: August 06, 2023, 04:07:44 PM »
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  • The "popularized" idea of Flat Earth on the Internet, as seen on videos by Eric Dubay and whatnot, is just one possible model of what the earth truly looks like. By no means am I married to that model, nor am I a "fanboy" of Eric Dubay, David Weiss, or any other popular Flat Earth proponent.

    I just know that all the evidence points towards the earth being flat. Now what exact model do we replace the false NASA model of the world with? I don't know exactly. And that is a valid and reasonable answer. There is some work to be done, I'm sure. After all, most scientists have been "out to lunch" for centuries on this topic, and let's face it, it was THEIR job. They took and ran away with all the money/resources dedicated to humanity learning about the nature of the physical world! All the other careers were rightly doing, well, their own careers (basically every career OUTSIDE the field of science).

    In fact, all other non-science careers were even taxed and forced to PAY these clowns to goof off, and not do their jobs! Think of all the wasted money every year: searching for aliens, Evolution "origins of life", "origins of the universe", the NASA 100% deception (globe earth or flat earth, it's a FACT that NASA is a huge fraud. I have 20X as much evidence NASA is fraudulent, than I have that the earth is flat. And I have quite a bit of evidence the earth is flat...), and I would add "Globe Earth" to this list.

    If there was a famine because farmers started being stupid and watering their crops with high-sodium Gatorade or something, who would we blame? Those in the agriculture industry. Everyone else would have been busy with their own callings. You expect the scientists to pursue knowledge, farmers to produce food, government to look out for the welfare of society, etc. Problems arise when people don't do their jobs, and actually work to subvert the job for which they are paid!
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #2 on: August 06, 2023, 05:09:04 PM »
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  • The "popularized" idea of Flat Earth on the Internet, as seen on videos by Eric Dubay and whatnot, is just one possible model of what the earth truly looks like. By no means am I married to that model, nor am I a "fanboy" of Eric Dubay, David Weiss, or any other popular Flat Earth proponent.

    I just know that all the evidence points towards the earth being flat. Now what exact model do we replace the false NASA model of the world with? I don't know exactly. And that is a valid and reasonable answer. There is some work to be done, I'm sure. After all, most scientists have been "out to lunch" for centuries on this topic, and let's face it, it was THEIR job. They took and ran away with all the money/resources dedicated to humanity learning about the nature of the physical world! All the other careers were rightly doing, well, their own careers (basically every career OUTSIDE the field of science).

    In fact, all other non-science careers were even taxed and forced to PAY these clowns to goof off, and not do their jobs! Think of all the wasted money every year: searching for aliens, Evolution "origins of life", "origins of the universe", the NASA 100% deception (globe earth or flat earth, it's a FACT that NASA is a huge fraud. I have 20X as much evidence NASA is fraudulent, than I have that the earth is flat. And I have quite a bit of evidence the earth is flat...), and I would add "Globe Earth" to this list.

    If there was a famine because farmers started being stupid and watering their crops with high-sodium Gatorade or something, who would we blame? Those in the agriculture industry. Everyone else would have been busy with their own callings. You expect the scientists to pursue knowledge, farmers to produce food, government to look out for the welfare of society, etc. Problems arise when people don't do their jobs, and actually work to subvert the job for which they are paid!

    I very much agree - it is a valid and reasonable answer to say that we don't know exactly what FE model we should look to as being accurate. Just because we cannot define just what a flat earth looks like, it doesn't mean that the earth isn't flat.

    Eric Dubay is a pagan who has voiced anti-Catholic sentiment in the past. But even pagans can realize that the earth isn't a ball. Maybe Dubay is just controlled opposition, but he seems to have done some good research, even though one shouldn't take everything he says as fact, of course. I don't know much about David Weiss.

    I do happen to like the research done by the late Rob Skiba, and though he was a protestant, but I don't recall ever seeing that he said anything against Catholicism, which counts for something, IMO. I tried to find any anti-Catholic views from him, and wasn't able to do so. 

    Yes, it would be a really good thing if money/resources could be lent to a true and honest look at how the earth is really shaped.
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #3 on: August 06, 2023, 05:21:05 PM »
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  • In my research I've learned that Eric Dubay is one of a handful who are not controlled opposition. I pray for his conversion.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2023, 06:42:46 PM »
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  • Funny enough, I was just researching this square flat earth idea again recently after giving up on it about 3 years ago.  I didn't want to really mention it in too much detail yet or link things with it due to some of the links where I've been studying this stuff having some questionable other content that could be demonic or at least scandalous.  I've mentioned the square earth idea along with Jerusalem being the center of the flat earth in another flat earth thread months ago since the circular FE model that is pushed the most doesn't really work when under close scrutiny. 

    We do know the Bible mentions the 4 corners of the Earth and a circle doesn't have 4 corners.  Once I pondered this I started looking into models or ideas that featured 4 corners WITHIN a circle or 4 corners below (and above) a circle.  The (high) masons know this stuff which is why in their "logo" features the square WITHIN the circle (their square and compass logo.)  They also have an inside "wink wink nudge nudge" joke about pi = 4 (ie 4 corners.)  I'm still looking into this stuff, and I don't have all the answers yet, but I really think the actual FE biblical model is or is not far from what the person who wrote in speculated.  It's really interesting stuff.  If I get around to finishing the research AND it is reliable and not scandalous I will hopefully be able to release much more information.

    To summarize some of the research, we know that many of the ancient pyramids that were built looked very similar, some of the speculation is that these were microcosms of the design of the (flat square) earth and that the sacrifices took place on the top center of the pyramid as a figure of sorts of the REAL sacrifice at Calvary at the center of the Earth that would take place.  As we know pagan "religions" are from the devil and we know he is the ape of God so his pagan human sacrifices were done in a way to mock the True Sacrifice that would occur at Calvary at the center of the Earth.   



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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2023, 07:22:57 PM »
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  • Traditional Catholics are the most clear-minded people there are. The gifts of the Holy Ghost are very real. This book  covers every mention in scripture about the shape of the earth. Author is a Prot

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2023, 07:42:59 PM »
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  • Great information.  Matthew, might you ask the emailer to point out books/sources where we can study further?  They obviously have done some research. 

    EWPJ, looking forward to your continued research!

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #7 on: August 06, 2023, 08:18:10 PM »
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  • I don't believe that the "zetetic" FE was some kind of coverup.  I think that they simply came up with the model of the North Pole being at the center because the model kindof worked, since we do not that there is some magnetic force there.

    Now, what's interesting is that the "Moon Map" individual holds that there is in fact hidden land in addition to the main continents we know, and we do know that the Fathers held that Jerusalem was at the center of the earth.

    Now, I do disagree with the prevailing FE model that the sun and moon rotate parallel over the plane of the earth.  I believe that they rise higher in altitude as they get closer to the North and lower as they get closer to the South because they are IN the firmament.  This explains why the sun moves faster in the South and yet the days are roughly about the same length (because the sun is at a lower attitude and would therefore disappear from view more quickly).  It also explains why dawn and dusk are more abrupt in the Southern areas.


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #8 on: August 06, 2023, 08:21:25 PM »
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  • Here's one map/model that tries to reconcile the dome of the firmament with the 4 corners and pillars of the earth ...


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #9 on: August 06, 2023, 09:47:03 PM »
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  • I don't believe that the "zetetic" FE was some kind of coverup.  I think that they simply came up with the model of the North Pole being at the center because the model kindof worked, since we do not that there is some magnetic force there.

    Now, what's interesting is that the "Moon Map" individual holds that there is in fact hidden land in addition to the main continents we know, and we do know that the Fathers held that Jerusalem was at the center of the earth.

    Now, I do disagree with the prevailing FE model that the sun and moon rotate parallel over the plane of the earth.  I believe that they rise higher in altitude as they get closer to the North and lower as they get closer to the South because they are IN the firmament.  This explains why the sun moves faster in the South and yet the days are roughly about the same length (because the sun is at a lower attitude and would therefore disappear from view more quickly).  It also explains why dawn and dusk are more abrupt in the Southern areas.
    The bolded could actually also help to explain the shadows on the moon (half-moon, crescent moon, etc.)  Not saying it does for sure, but could.  In the typical AE FE model they just show it circulating around at the same heights all the time but no one really looks into that it may move higher and lower.  This is a small part of the new model I'm working on and considering this very scenario.  


    Here's one map/model that tries to reconcile the dome of the firmament with the 4 corners and pillars of the earth ...



    I've seen this and also consider it possible but it leaves a lot to be desired.


    Great information.  Matthew, might you ask the emailer to point out books/sources where we can study further?  They obviously have done some research.

    EWPJ, looking forward to your continued research!

    Thank PV!  Currently I'm trying to piece together how the sun and moon work on this.  Based on what I've seen and my speculation so far, is that the steps (of the pyramids) likely have some connection to it.  Still a ways to go, but if I get something solid and workable I'll share so we can all put our minds together and try to pick it apart and put it under heavy scrutiny to see if it really holds up.


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #10 on: August 07, 2023, 01:23:39 AM »
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  • I find the idea of Jerusalem in the center attractive and you can easily just put more landmass on the southwest  side of Antarctica and have Jerusalem at the center.

    However, I believe the Gleason map is reasonably accurate and any true model can't be far from it.

    The 16 emergency landings all work perfectly on Gleason's map and any other map would have to do the same.

    I've looked into the moon map theory and so far it looks like a stretch. Yeah, there's some similarity, but the discrepancies must be explained. I haven't found a convincing video.


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #11 on: August 07, 2023, 07:36:57 AM »
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  • I find the idea of Jerusalem in the center attractive and you can easily just put more landmass on the southwest  side of Antarctica and have Jerusalem at the center.

    However, I believe the Gleason map is reasonably accurate and any true model can't be far from it.

    The 16 emergency landings all work perfectly on Gleason's map and any other map would have to do the same.

    I've looked into the moon map theory and so far it looks like a stretch. Yeah, there's some similarity, but the discrepancies must be explained. I haven't found a convincing video.

    Agreed.  I'm not sure how a model with Jerusalem at the middle can be workable given what we know about the seasons, the poles, etc.  I agree that the Gleason's is a reasonable approximation, though certainly not 100% accurate.  Also, I studied the various map projections and the Azimuthal Equidistant North Pole projection is the projection that least "distorts" the actual shapes of the continents, making it appear to be the closest to reality.  BTW, if you do an South Pole Azimuthal Equidistant projection, the entire Northern Hemisphere becomes unrecognizable, which is strong evidence against there being a "South Pole" in the way NASA claims.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #12 on: August 07, 2023, 08:13:30 AM »
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  • The 16 emergency landings all work perfectly on Gleason's map and any other map would have to do the same.

    Yeah, for those who don't know, the 16 emergency landings are famous examples of emergency plane landings -- the plane must land ASAP or everyone will die -- where they land "en route" and it's nowhere near where you would expect. These landings would make ZERO sense on the globe model. The plane should have been nowhere near where they landed, if they were headed from point A to point B in an AIRPLANE, which literally operates AS THE BIRD FLIES.

    There is a book with details about these plane landings in it. It's available as a PDF. I attached it to this post so anyone can download it. 
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #13 on: August 07, 2023, 08:26:55 AM »
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  • I haven't studied the notion of Jerusalem being the center of the world, but perhaps some of it might be pious belief.  Not sure what to do with that when the religious center of the world shifted to Rome.  Perhaps there's some notion related to the fact that Our Lord ascended into Heaven and that therefore the entry through the firmament to the throne of God would have to be above there somewhere.  There may of course be several entry points.  It's hard to say, really.  This is where real science and exploration (that isn't driven by an agenda) would come in.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #14 on: August 07, 2023, 09:58:25 AM »
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  • I find the idea of Jerusalem in the center attractive and you can easily just put more landmass on the southwest  side of Antarctica and have Jerusalem at the center.




    St Hildegard’s Universe with Jerusalem at the Centre of the Earth’s landmass.