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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Biblical Flat Earth
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2023, 09:47:31 AM »
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    • Well, the problem I have with the 1958 Britannica reference to the "dome" is that they claim to be referring to a topographical feature as a "dome", an elevation similar to a plateau.  So this isn't a particularly solid argument for FE.  It's possible that they redefined the term "dome" after it slipped into the literature before the Antarctic Treaty, but we have no proof of that.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #46 on: August 14, 2023, 09:48:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on August 14, 2023, 09:26:27 AM






         

    Quick question!  What's with this guy in the video?  Why in the world is he referring to the book he holds open as the Encyclopedia Britannica when it is clearly the Encycopedia Americana?
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #47 on: August 14, 2023, 10:30:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 14, 2023, 09:47:31 AM
    Well, the problem I have with the 1958 Britannica reference to the "dome" is that they claim to be referring to a topographical feature as a "dome", an elevation similar to a plateau.  So this isn't a particularly solid argument for FE.  It's possible that they redefined the term "dome" after it slipped into the literature before the Antarctic Treaty, but we have no proof of that.



    Good to know.   
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #48 on: August 14, 2023, 10:38:40 AM »
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    only that it is interesting that he used the word "ball."
    Yeah, but who translated it?  Alois was German.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #49 on: August 14, 2023, 10:43:26 AM »
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    Is it possible that the words God uses have such richness and depth of meaning that they go far beyond our common understanding and accurately describe even complex ideas in simple terms?
    When it comes to Scripture, Catholics are literalists.  We must presume that God wrote the Bible to be understood literally, unless the Church tells us that place x, or verse y means [this].  If God, through the Scriptural authors, inspired them to write "4 corners" then that's what it means.  The OT Israelites understood (and had drawings) depicting such an earth (as well as many ancient civilizations)...it's not a new concept.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #50 on: August 14, 2023, 11:21:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 14, 2023, 10:38:40 AM
    Yeah, but who translated it?  Alois was German.

    Not only that, but I've seen numerous variants of his texts, which appear to have some very strange syntax and language.  Most of the Irlmaier texts out there are just copy-pasted from one website to another, so it's hard to get a solid "original" text.  Finally, there's a question of Irlmaier interpreting what he sees.  He regularly says that he's "not sure" about something he's seeing.  So, who knows?
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #51 on: August 14, 2023, 11:22:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 14, 2023, 10:43:26 AM
    When it comes to Scripture, Catholics are literalists. 

    You "Biblicist" you!  For shame.

    -- Father Paul Robinson
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #52 on: August 14, 2023, 12:02:00 PM »
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    • :laugh1:
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #53 on: August 14, 2023, 03:28:51 PM »
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    • A question for FE folks: what would be 3 of the most compelling things (aside from any divine enlightenment) that would flip you from FE to GE?
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #54 on: August 14, 2023, 03:53:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Always on August 14, 2023, 03:28:51 PM
    A question for FE folks: what would be 3 of the most compelling things (aside from any divine enlightenment) that would flip you from FE to GE?

    That goes without saying.  Scientific evidence for earth curvature, outside of NASA's claims, since NASA has no credibility whatsoever.

    Apart from that, I require a GE model that is consistent with Sacred Scripture's description of the firmament and the waters above it.  Firmament would also solve the other problem with Globism, the notion that it's impossible for the earth to retain its atmosphere and even its liquid/water if adjacent to the nearly-infinite vacuum of space.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #55 on: August 14, 2023, 04:28:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Always on August 14, 2023, 03:28:51 PM
    A question for FE folks: what would be 3 of the most compelling things (aside from any divine enlightenment) that would flip you from FE to GE?

    We all were once GE; there are myriad "compelling things" -- including what God Himself has said about the matter -- that opened our eyes.  The better question is, "What prevents GEs from embracing the Biblical truth of FE?"
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #56 on: August 14, 2023, 04:40:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 14, 2023, 04:28:43 PM
    We all were once GE; there are myriad "compelling things" -- including what God Himself has said about the matter -- that opened our eyes.  The better question is, "What prevents GEs from embracing the Biblical truth of FE?"

    "the Biblical truth of FE"  Hmm.  I guess that settles it.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #57 on: August 14, 2023, 04:58:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Always on August 14, 2023, 04:40:01 PM
    "the Biblical truth of FE"  Hmm.  I guess that settles it.

    At the very least, the NASA ball floating in space model is utterly incompatible with the cosmology detailed by Sacred Scripture, with the firmament keeping waters from the earth.  From a theological perspective, I might be willing to entertain a ball, provided that the firmament is explained ... and by explained I do not mean explained away, as referring to "space".

    From a scientific perspective, I would require some other explanation other than "refraction" (which is preposterous) to explain the myriad examples of being able to see too far that have been recorded.  Perhaps if someone came up with and could demonstrate a plausible theory where light bends consistently around the globe due to the electrical charge of the earth ... something like that.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #58 on: August 14, 2023, 05:00:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Always on August 14, 2023, 04:40:01 PM
    "the Biblical truth of FE"  Hmm.  I guess that settles it.

    Where's the firmament, you know, the one that keeps actual H2O water off the earth?
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #59 on: August 14, 2023, 05:06:51 PM »
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    • Still waiting for one single proof that earth is a globe. Conversely, sea level denies any possible credibility that earth is a globe. The horizon denies it. Water surface of large bodies denies it. The Nile River denies it. Sextants, theodolites, compasses, sundials, lasers, railguns, gyroscopes, telescopes and cameras all deny it.  Railroad engineers denied it.  Airplanes deny it.  Flight paths deny it.  Stars deny it. The sun denies it. Math denies it.  Experiments both professional and non professional deny it.  History denies it.  Reason denies it.  Scripture denies it.  Saints and Fathers deny it.  For what reason would anyone believe NASA and globalists against everything else? 
        
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