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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Biblical Flat Earth
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2023, 07:54:18 AM »
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  • https://rickpotvinflatearth.blogspot.com/2015/09/captain-james-cook-is-not-useful.html

    Rick Potvin's Virtual Circuмnavigation of Antarctica to Decide if Earth is Global or Flat

    Wednesday, September 23, 2015
    Captain James Cook is not a useful reference for flat earth Antarctica after all.


    It's hard to say with the Cook voyages.  As the author mentions, someone would have to dig into the details to find out exactly where he went and when, since he was literally all over the map.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #31 on: August 09, 2023, 11:44:15 PM »
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  • To state the obvious, there can be no "center of the earth" on a ball...

    Yes, there can; however, it would be in the center of the ball, not anywhere on the surface.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #32 on: August 10, 2023, 10:01:44 AM »
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    The Bering Strait does not exist; there were plans years ago to build a bridge connecting Alaska to Russia but it never came to pass because it is impossible; you cannot go to Russia westwards which simply leads to the Edenic continent.
     


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #33 on: August 10, 2023, 11:29:50 AM »
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    Seems like the gnetleman doesn't know what "strait" means.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #34 on: August 12, 2023, 02:31:34 PM »
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  • Interesting that he sees "a ball."


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #35 on: August 12, 2023, 02:54:27 PM »
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  • He also calls the United States a 'city'.  Being private revelation and a prophecy, personal descriptions are subjective.  This certainly doesn't stand alone against the Fathers, Scripture and true science.  

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #36 on: August 12, 2023, 07:18:49 PM »
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  • He also calls the United States a 'city'.  Being private revelation and a prophecy, personal descriptions are subjective.  This certainly doesn't stand alone against the Fathers, Scripture and true science. 

     "...and true science."

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #37 on: August 12, 2023, 07:48:08 PM »
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  • "...and true science."

    Tradman locuta, causa finita.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #38 on: August 12, 2023, 11:33:23 PM »
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  • Interesting that he sees "a ball."

    Wow, that's the best proof yet.  I'm convinced.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #39 on: August 13, 2023, 08:26:52 AM »
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  • You want to talk about imagery, terminology, and visions -- how about the imagery used by Holy Scripture, which has a higher trust rating than any prophet or saint?

    How many times does Holy Scripture talk about the "four corners" -- and even applies that to other things, no doubt as a reference to "the four corners of the earth"?

    Do a DRBO search if you don't believe me. That phrase is used dozens of times.

    https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=the+four+corners&x=0&y=0&b=drl&t=0

    Spoiler alert: a ball doesn't have 4 corners.

    Another interesting thought experiment: why wouldn't the God-designed altar be a ball (to represent the earth) rather than emphasize having FOUR CORNERS which Scripture also describes the earth as having?

    The subject of "four corners in Scripture" is definitely a tick-mark in the PRO column for Flat Earth, that's for sure.

    "After these things, I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that they should not blow upon the earth, nor upon the sea, nor on any tree."
    -Apocalypse chapter 7
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #40 on: August 13, 2023, 12:14:49 PM »
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  • You want to talk about imagery, terminology, and visions -- how about the imagery used by Holy Scripture, which has a higher trust rating than any prophet or saint?


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #41 on: August 13, 2023, 12:32:47 PM »
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  • You want to talk about imagery, terminology, and visions -- how about the imagery used by Holy Scripture, which has a higher trust rating than any prophet or saint?…
    I am not proposing that visions trump Scripture; only that it is interesting that he used the word "ball."

    I have used "global" and "globalists" innumerable times without considering the implication of the words.… until the last couple of months.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #42 on: August 13, 2023, 02:31:58 PM »
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  • I am not proposing that visions trump Scripture; only that it is interesting that he used the word "ball."

    I have used "global" and "globalists" innumerable times without considering the implication of the words.… until the last couple of months.

    Actually, I would use "globalist" on purpose now. Besides the fact they're trying to bring ALL of mankind together under one tyranny, they also push the world delusions of Evolution, atheism, liberalism, "everyone is the same" ism, feminism, Globe Earth, etc. So it's fitting to call them globalists.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #43 on: August 13, 2023, 08:31:47 PM »
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  • You want to talk about imagery, terminology, and visions -- how about the imagery used by Holy Scripture, which has a higher trust rating than any prophet or saint?

    How many times does Holy Scripture talk about the "four corners" -- and even applies that to other things, no doubt as a reference to "the four corners of the earth"?

    Do a DRBO search if you don't believe me. That phrase is used dozens of times.

    https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=the+four+corners&x=0&y=0&b=drl&t=0

    Spoiler alert: a ball doesn't have 4 corners.

    Another interesting thought experiment: why wouldn't the God-designed altar be a ball (to represent the earth) rather than emphasize having FOUR CORNERS which Scripture also describes the earth as having?

    The subject of "four corners in Scripture" is definitely a tick-mark in the PRO column for Flat Earth, that's for sure.

    "After these things, I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that they should not blow upon the earth, nor upon the sea, nor on any tree."
    -Apocalypse chapter 7
    Is it possible that the words God uses have such richness and depth of meaning that they go far beyond our common understanding and accurately describe even complex ideas in simple terms? I was reading Ecclesiasticus recently, and contained in the prologue is "...pardon us for those things wherein we may seem, while we follow the image of wisdom, to come short in the composition of words; for the Hebrew words have not the same force in them when translated into another tongue. And not only these, but the law also itself, and the prophets, and the rest of the books, have no small difference, when they are spoken in their own language."

    What is a corner? I think of where 2 lines intersect on a square, or 3 lines in a 3 dimensional room. 4 walls of the earth would not work because that doesn't indicate a complete enclosure as there may be no ceiling, and walls do not restrict movement in any one place since a person can move along the wall one way or the other after having reached it. In a corner, all limits come together, and the only way left to move is back to where you have already been. If you travel around a globe, you will eventually reach the limits of where you have not been, and even by continuing forward, will move toward where you have already been.

    Why 4 corners? Shapes exist with more or less than 4 corners. We can move in a theoretically infinite number of directions, but the minimum number of directions to move anywhere on a surface can be reduced to a combination of 4. 3 would almost work, but a vector using more than one direction out of 3 would call for movement in opposite directions, so 4 is the lower limit.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #44 on: August 14, 2023, 09:26:27 AM »
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  • Is it possible that the words God uses have such richness and depth of meaning that they go far beyond our common understanding and accurately describe even complex ideas in simple terms? I was reading Ecclesiasticus recently, and contained in the prologue is "...pardon us for those things wherein we may seem, while we follow the image of wisdom, to come short in the composition of words; for the Hebrew words have not the same force in them when translated into another tongue. And not only these, but the law also itself, and the prophets, and the rest of the books, have no small difference, when they are spoken in their own language."

    What is a corner? I think of where 2 lines intersect on a square, or 3 lines in a 3 dimensional room. 4 walls of the earth would not work because that doesn't indicate a complete enclosure as there may be no ceiling, and walls do not restrict movement in any one place since a person can move along the wall one way or the other after having reached it. In a corner, all limits come together, and the only way left to move is back to where you have already been. If you travel around a globe, you will eventually reach the limits of where you have not been, and even by continuing forward, will move toward where you have already been.

    Why 4 corners? Shapes exist with more or less than 4 corners. We can move in a theoretically infinite number of directions, but the minimum number of directions to move anywhere on a surface can be reduced to a combination of 4. 3 would almost work, but a vector using more than one direction out of 3 would call for movement in opposite directions, so 4 is the lower limit.


    Is it possible that the words God uses have such richness and depth of meaning that they go far beyond our common understanding and accurately describe even complex ideas in simple terms?

    Ok, but words with depth of meaning to the point that the words God used have no relevance to what He described?  Almost any shape but a ball is likely, because a ball has no corners.  A ball makes no sense and even comes to a total opposite conclusion. Those who say earth is a ball have lied for years about space travel, going to the moon, ect.

    What is a corner?

    You described corner well enough.  But that word never applies to a ball.  The Fathers of the Church have repeatedly said that the earth has the appearance of a house, or church, being the macrocosm or archetype of those buildings.  Earth has pillars (mountains) that meet the sky (firmament) with windows (for rain) and has corners that meet a vaulted ceiling. Easy to comprehend. Such a structure would include corners and explains the outer regions where the firmament meets earth.  These regions are remote and (by governments) easily kept from prying eyes should anyone get the inkling to snoop.  It's also likely the mountain/firmament areas include harsh conditions, however, there is the 1958 encyclopedia which describes where the firmament meets the mountains and even provides coordinates.  This short video provides one explanation.




    Why 4 corners?

    Because Scripture said. Flat earthers aren't extrapolating, it's a matter of submitting to information provided by God and not by man.  We also have clues in everyday life, which God provides for even the simplest child to understand.  So when the earth is compared by the Fathers to a two story house with a tent like roof, and is like the Tabernacle or the Ark of the Covenant, or Noah's Ark, no one should think it looks like a ball. Sadly, rather than look into what the Fathers have said, people look to scientists to get information that is contradictory to Scripture.