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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Biblical Flat Earth
« Reply #120 on: August 19, 2023, 07:41:42 AM »
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  • Based on the above demonstration, this proves that Neil de Grasse Tyson was lying.  But he had to lie once that amateur balloon footage from 120,000 feet came out (Red Bull jump was from 128,000 feet) ...



    Also, with regard to Red Bull, there's a camera inside the Red Bull capsule.  You can clearly see the level of the horizon on this camera when the guy is still on the ground.  Then he closes the hatch, opening it again right before his jump, at 128,000 feet.  When he opens it at 128,000 feet, the horizon line is at exactly the same spot from the perspective of the same camera within the cabin.  Hasn't moved an inch.

    Case closed for the globe.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #121 on: August 19, 2023, 07:51:59 AM »
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  • Globe earth or earthly globe?  Latin?  (I have repeatedly asked you for the Latin, yet have always been ignored, fwiw.)

    As presented, hardly proof of anything, including his own opinion.

    Keep in mind that in Genesis, earth is simply "terra" or LAND, as opposed to WATER.  The two TOGETHER compose this realm, which is never called Earth in a way signifying the totality of this plane of existence, planet or not.

    Whatever the Latin is, none of the fathers spoke like NASA, about gravity, curvature, outer space, being able to set foot on other heavenly bodies, etc.

    Scripture did speak of a Firmament though, with windows through which water could inundate the Earth. Now we have to pick -- do we believe Scripture and God, or NASA and the atheistic world of liars?

    And you can't show "older" pictures and paintings depicting a traditional Globe Earth as proof of anything. WE WERE ALL DECEIVED. The holy, the wicked, and everyone in between. There's a good chance +Lefebvre, maybe St. Pius X, etc. believed the earth was a globe, because that's what was commonly, universally taught AND BELIEVED and few had any way to know better. Before the Internet, where was one supposed to get that truth/knowledge? Considering most people have a Duty of State that ISN'T that of a scientist. Few people have the time, training, and resources to fly high-altitude balloons or investigate for themselves. And Nikon P90 cameras have only existed in recent years. Without modern Youtube channels, I wouldn't have learned this stuff myself.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #122 on: August 19, 2023, 08:03:47 AM »
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  • Take this to 120,000 feet to demonstrate (based on math) what you SHOULD see.



    Yep, should see. All they can provide is a simulation? Naturally. It's all they have. No satellite cameras to show curvature from low earth orbit?  No rocket ship with footage taken without go pro cameras?  No video from mars? Where is the proof that earth is a globe?      

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #123 on: August 19, 2023, 08:07:32 AM »
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  • Yep, should see. All they can provide is a simulation? Naturally. It's all they have. No satellite cameras to show curvature from low earth orbit?  No rocket ship with footage taken without go pro cameras?  No video from mars? Where is the proof that earth is a globe?     

    But this simulation is good, because it's based on curvature math.  It demonstrates what the curvature SHOULD look like at those altitudes and puts the lie to Neil de Grasse Tyson's claim that at 128,000 feet there should be no visible curvature.  They would have jumped all over "Red Bull" as "proof of globe" in former times, but with those 120,000 foot amateur balloons not equipped with the wide-angle lenses, they needed to explain it away and claim you can't see curvature at 120K feet.  But we still have Globers who otherwise are follower of the gurus like Tyson claiming that you can see curvature at sea level when boats disappear bottom up over the horizon.

    These contradictions expose them.  There are still Globers who, despite what Tyson said, use the wide-angle-lens-induced curvature of Red Bull as evidence for Globe.  But they're OK with whatever contradictions people out there hold, so long as they don't believe the earth is flat.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #124 on: August 19, 2023, 08:21:47 AM »
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  • Whatever the Latin is, none of the fathers spoke like NASA, about gravity, curvature, outer space, being able to set foot on other heavenly bodies, etc.

    Scripture did speak of a Firmament though, with windows through which water could inundate the Earth. Now we have to pick -- do we believe Scripture and God, or NASA and the atheistic world of liars?

    And you can't show "older" pictures and paintings depicting a traditional Globe Earth as proof of anything. WE WERE ALL DECEIVED. The holy, the wicked, and everyone in between. There's a good chance +Lefebvre, maybe St. Pius X, etc. believed the earth was a globe, because that's what was commonly, universally taught AND BELIEVED and few had any way to know better. Before the Internet, where was one supposed to get that truth/knowledge? Considering most people have a Duty of State that ISN'T that of a scientist. Few people have the time, training, and resources to fly high-altitude balloons or investigate for themselves. And Nikon P90 cameras have only existed in recent years. Without modern Youtube channels, I wouldn't have learned this stuff myself.

    As if a deceived populace or saint proves earth is a globe. Yet globers try to use it as proof. It's no sin to be deceived, but it can become one if you reject the truth.  
     


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #125 on: August 19, 2023, 08:29:39 AM »
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  • Few people have the time, training, and resources to fly high-altitude balloons or investigate for themselves. And Nikon P90 cameras have only existed in recent years. Without modern Youtube channels, I wouldn't have learned this stuff myself.

    Right.  Had I not seen the hundreds of examples from Nikon cameras and telescopes where there's no curvature, I probably would have written off flat earth.  There are those who claim FE was a disinformation conspiracy started in about 2015 ... to discredit Sungenis' geocentrism after The Principle came out.  But the real key is that the Nikon P900 came out in early 2015 and people could go check for themselves ... and they did.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #126 on: August 19, 2023, 08:33:01 AM »
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  • But this simulation is good, because it's based on curvature math.  It demonstrates what the curvature SHOULD look like at those altitudes and puts the lie to Neil de Grasse Tyson's claim that at 128,000 feet there should be no visible curvature.  They would have jumped all over "Red Bull" as "proof of globe" in former times, but with those 120,000 foot amateur balloons not equipped with the wide-angle lenses, they needed to explain it away and claim you can't see curvature at 120K feet.  But we still have Globers who otherwise are follower of the gurus like Tyson claiming that you can see curvature at sea level when boats disappear bottom up over the horizon.

    These contradictions expose them.  There are still Globers who, despite what Tyson said, use the wide-angle-lens-induced curvature of Red Bull as evidence for Globe.  But they're OK with whatever contradictions people out there hold, so long as they don't believe the earth is flat.

    No issue with simulators per se except it suggests there is curvature.  The simulator only appears to show curvature, but obviously, it's the outside circle of view of what's visible and not the curve of the earth.  The horizon spills the beans, but globers always miss the point. I was saying that if earth was a globe, they'd have a video of it, but they don't.     
     

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #127 on: August 19, 2023, 10:09:34 AM »
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    But the real key is that the Nikon P900 came out in early 2015 and people could go check for themselves ... and they did.
    Yes, a lot of people out there who grew up non-catholic, who went to public schools, and trusted the media, are waking up.  The lies are beginning to unravel in all areas - history, science, economics, etc.  Let's see what happens when a true pope gets elected and the eons of lies about the Church fade away.  The elites know their time is short, so that's why they are pushing for this reset...they think they can gain control of everything, so that even a population who knows they lie, won't be able to do anything about it.  Interesting times for sure.


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #128 on: August 19, 2023, 10:58:59 AM »
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  • I'm surprised nobody commented on the video of the paramotor guy.  In his video you can see curvature and he only went to 17,500 feet.  I'm not a NASA-Globist but how can that be reconciled?

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #129 on: August 19, 2023, 11:10:00 AM »
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  • I'm surprised nobody commented on the video of the paramotor guy.  In his video you can see curvature and he only went to 17,500 feet.  I'm not a NASA-Globist but how can that be reconciled?

    Stand with your eyes level, slightly above a round table.  That curved edge is the same as the earth.  The table is flat, but given the narrative, when viewing earth, it makes you think earth is a globe.  

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #130 on: August 19, 2023, 11:32:52 AM »
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  • I'm surprised nobody commented on the video of the paramotor guy.  In his video you can see curvature and he only went to 17,500 feet.  I'm not a NASA-Globist but how can that be reconciled?
    Gopros have a slight fisheye lens, like that red bull jump, where they claimed to see the curve.  Even Neil DeGrasse admits you cant see a curve from balloons at 100k.


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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #131 on: August 19, 2023, 01:39:54 PM »
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  • The Knowledge of the Sphericity of the Earth during the Earlier Middle Ages by Fr Francis S. Betten SJ.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/25012070?seq=1

    This booklet discusses the incident of the antipodes, people on the other side of the Earth beyond the reach of the Church. It makes reference to St Augustine. 
    In the Saint's book THE CITY OF GOD, he writes:

    'They have no authority for it [Antipodes], but only conjecture that such a thing may be, because the Earth hangs within the orbits of heaven, and each part of the world is above and below alike, [only a globe has an above and a below alike], and thence they gather that the other hemisphere cannot lack inhabitants. Now they consider not that although it be globous as ours is, yet it may be all covered with sea, and if it be bare, yet it follows not that it is inhabited, seeing that the scriptures never makes mention of any such thing.

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #132 on: August 19, 2023, 01:53:55 PM »
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  • The Knowledge of the Sphericity of the Earth during the Earlier Middle Ages by Fr Francis S. Betten SJ.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/25012070?seq=1

    This booklet discusses the incident of the antipodes, people on the other side of the Earth beyond the reach of the Church. It makes reference to St Augustine.
    In the Saint's book THE CITY OF GOD, he writes:

    'They have no authority for it [Antipodes], but only conjecture that such a thing may be, because the Earth hangs within the orbits of heaven, and each part of the world is above and below alike, [only a globe has an above and a below alike], and thence they gather that the other hemisphere cannot lack inhabitants. Now they consider not that although it be globous as ours is, yet it may be all covered with sea, and if it be bare, yet it follows not that it is inhabited, seeing that the scriptures never makes mention of any such thing.

    This is the umpteenth time you've gotten it wrong and not one of these attempts to cite a Father or saint supports your case because you're reading your own meaning into the text.  Augustine explains what they say about a hanging globe and then debunks it all: antipodes, a water covered globe and even a bare globe.  He even ends with, "seeing that the scriptures never makes mention of any such thing.  

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #133 on: August 19, 2023, 02:17:58 PM »
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  • This is the umpteenth time you've gotten it wrong and not one of these attempts to cite a Father or saint supports your case because you're reading your own meaning into the text.  Augustine explains what they say about a hanging globe and then debunks it all: antipodes, a water covered globe and even a bare globe.  He even ends with, "seeing that the scriptures never makes mention of any such thing. 


    Since this subject started I have seen a FLAT-EARTH become a GLOBAL FLAT-EARTH. Thus any reference to a global Earth is now a Flat global Earth. Now I am very capable of reading what St Augustine said and as I pointed out above:

    'because the Earth hangs within the orbits of heaven, and each part of the world is above and below alike, [only a BALL Earth has an above and a below alike]' A flat Earth only has an above and not a below.

    Augustine debunks the idea that on a Ball Earth, there cannot be people beyond the Church's reach living on a ball Earth. 

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #134 on: August 19, 2023, 02:26:36 PM »
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  • Since this subject started I have seen a FLAT-EARTH become a GLOBAL FLAT-EARTH. Thus any reference to a global Earth is now a Flat global Earth. Now I am very capable of reading what St Augustine said and as I pointed out above:

    'because the Earth hangs within the orbits of heaven, and each part of the world is above and below alike, [only a BALL Earth has an above and a below alike]' A flat Earth only has an above and not a below.

    Augustine debunks the idea that on a Ball Earth, there cannot be people beyond the Church's reach living on a ball Earth.

    That is what "they conjecture". Read it again carefully. And then read the context where Augustine debunks their argument.

    Breaking it down very simple for you:
    They say: G(lobe) -> A(ntipodes)
    Augustine says: Not A
    Therefore, Augustine rejects either their logic or their premise. Since the logic is sound and every glober here believes in Antipodes that means Augustine rejects the Globe.

    Understood?