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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Biblical Flat Earth
« Reply #105 on: August 18, 2023, 07:52:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Always on August 18, 2023, 02:41:00 AM
    Lad you are a literate -- you can read and write -- individual.  You are also quite learned; yet, you refer to St. Therese of Lisieux as an "illiterate nun!"  Not sure why you would say such a thing.  The great saint could read and write perfectly well way before she even entered Carmel.

    You appear to struggle with literacy yourself.  Those were two separate sentences.  Try reading them again.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #106 on: August 18, 2023, 09:02:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 18, 2023, 07:52:32 AM
    You appear to struggle with literacy yourself.  Those were two separate sentences.  Try reading them again.

    They were obviously two separate sentences.  Here they are: "Some humble illiterate nun who lived a holy life accomplished more with her life than all scholars combined.  St. Therese of Lisieux accomplished more in her 24 years on earth than hundreds of Sungenis lifetimes."

    And you expect people to believe that you were not referring to St. Therese of Lisieux in the first sentence!  There is something known as context.

    And if you still insist that you were not referring to the Little Flower please be so kind as to let us know who this illitrate nun was that "accomplished more with her life than all [St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine and all the rest of the Doctors of the Church and other saintly scholars] scholars combined."
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #107 on: August 18, 2023, 10:21:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Always on August 18, 2023, 09:02:16 AM
    They were obviously two separate sentences.  Here they are: "Some humble illiterate nun who lived a holy life accomplished more with her life than all scholars combined.  St. Therese of Lisieux accomplished more in her 24 years on earth than hundreds of Sungenis lifetimes."

    And you expect people to believe that you were not referring to St. Therese of Lisieux in the first sentence!  There is something known as context.

    You're reading the "context" into it.  These are two separate examples.  First contrasts illiteracy with Sungenis' education.  Second contrasts St. Therere's relatively short life vs. Sungenis' lengthy career.  Find something real to complain about.  You'll notice that if you read each sentence:

    1) illiterate nun vs "all the scholars combined"
    2) St. Therese's short life vs. Sungenis' lengthy career (many such careers).
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #108 on: August 18, 2023, 01:48:39 PM »
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    • Ops, found another global Earth in Cardinal Robert Bellarmine's magnificent book De Ascensione Mentis in Deum, The Mind’s Ascent to God (by the Ladder of Created Things).

    As Our Body Rests on Earth, So Our Mind Can Rest in God Alone We have examined the physical world as a whole. Now we com e to consider its principal parts so that we can build from them a ladder for us to contemplate the builder, as far as we can. The first subject is earth, which, although it lies in the lowest place and seems less important than the other elements, in fact is not less important than water and surpasses all the other elements in dignity and value. Throughout the Holy Scriptures we read that God made the heavens and the earth as the principal parts of the world, to which the other parts are subordinated. He made heaven as a sort of palace for God and the angels; earth he made as a palace for men. " The heaven of heaven is for God," says the Prophet, " but the earth he gave to the sons of m en" (Ps 113:24). This is the reason why heaven is full of glittering stars and the earth abounds with the immense riches of metals, precious stones, grasses, trees, and many kinds of animals. Water has only fishes. Air and fire are barren and almost empty elements. Let us pass over these. Three aspects of the earthly globe are most worthy of consideration. If our mind is alert, we can ascend from them to God without difficulty.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #109 on: August 18, 2023, 08:04:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 18, 2023, 10:21:11 AM
    You're reading the "context" into it.  These are two separate examples.  First contrasts illiteracy with Sungenis' education.  Second contrasts St. Therere's relatively short life vs. Sungenis' lengthy career.  Find something real to complain about.  You'll notice that if you read each sentence:

    1) illiterate nun vs "all the scholars combined"
    2) St. Therese's short life vs. Sungenis' lengthy career (many such careers).

    You say I am complaining.  Actually, I'm not complaining at all.

    Rather, I'm trying to get you to stick to the supposed fact as you stated it.  You stated, " Some humble illiterate nun who lived a holy life accomplished more with her life than all scholars combined."  So, who exactly is this humble illiterate nun who you claim accomplished more with her life than all scholars combined?  St. Thomas Aquinas and all the Doctors of the Church were scholars were they not?   Not to mention many other saintly Catholic scholars.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #110 on: August 18, 2023, 10:34:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on August 18, 2023, 01:48:39 PM
     Three aspects of the earthly globe are most worthy of consideration. If our mind is alert, we can ascend from them to God without difficulty.

    Globe earth or earthly globe?  Latin?  (I have repeatedly asked you for the Latin, yet have always been ignored, fwiw.)

    As presented, hardly proof of anything, including his own opinion.

    Keep in mind that in Genesis, earth is simply "terra" or LAND, as opposed to WATER.  The two TOGETHER compose this realm, which is never called Earth in a way signifying the totality of this plane of existence, planet or not.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #111 on: August 18, 2023, 10:36:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 14, 2023, 10:12:25 PM
    God tells us there is a FIRMAMENT that divides the waters above and below it.  Do YOU deny His word on the matter?

    Always?
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #112 on: August 18, 2023, 10:37:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 14, 2023, 10:55:25 PM
    Do YOU deny what God has revealed regarding a FIRMAMENT that divides the waters above and below it?

    Like I was sayin...
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #113 on: August 18, 2023, 10:38:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 14, 2023, 11:19:00 PM
    Do YOU deny the FIRMAMENT God revealed that divides the waters above and below it?  Yes or No.

    Yes, God, the Author of Nature, through all we actually see, observe and measure, utterly denies it by proving, everywhere and at every moment, the contrary.

    The first part is my thrice-repeated, still-unanswered question for you. 

    The second part is my answer to your question (for Tradman, not me).  You may not like or agree with it, but that is your problem, not mine.  God reveals what is, not what is not.  To pretend that His NOT having declared something as NOT SO means IT IS is, in fact, absurd.  Revelation isn't about what God did or did not DENY, but what He lovingly shared with us about reality and Himself.  We KNOW, because He told us, that there is a FIRMAMENT that divides the waters above and below it.  Bobby Sun (and you, et alii) deny reality.  I am confident you will not do so for very much longer.  Godspeed.

    [Sorry I called you a Soy-Boy, etc.  It was tasteless and uncalled for.  Please forgive me.]

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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #114 on: August 18, 2023, 10:40:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 14, 2023, 04:28:43 PM
    We all were once GE; there are myriad "compelling things" -- including what God Himself has said about the matter -- that opened our eyes.  The better question is, "What prevents GEs from embracing the Biblical truth of FE?"

    This was my first still-unanswered question.  I'd thank you in advance for answering, but I know you are unlikely to do so.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #115 on: August 18, 2023, 11:03:34 PM »
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    • FWIW, I believe The Deuce -- aka Wojtyla, The Destroyer Par Excellence, JP2 -- spoke at least EIGHT languages.  His facility therewith doesn't seem to have been an indicator of wisdom, holiness, etc.  Bobby Sun, brains and all, hasn't yet grasped the basics of the Faith if, as reported, he isn't Trad or is even anti-Trad.

    By the way, JP2, love him or hate him, accomplished more before 8 AM, so to speak, than Bobby Sun ever did or will -- but all to either an evil purpose or to no avail.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #116 on: August 19, 2023, 03:50:40 AM »
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    • I wonder if this guy saw any curvature... It's really amazing how easy it is to get up to high altitudes disregarding the law. Though he said it was getting harder to breathe so I would assume you can't simply go higher than this without an oxygen tank.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #117 on: August 19, 2023, 04:14:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on August 19, 2023, 03:50:40 AM


    I wonder if this guy saw any curvature... It's really amazing how easy it is to get up to high altitudes disregarding the law. Though he said it was getting harder to breathe so I would assume you can't simply go higher than this without an oxygen tank.
    Hmm how high do you have to be before you can see the 'curve'?

    EDIT: Searching for flat earth on youtube is so difficult to find good content, all you get is garbage 'debunking' and mockery nonsense.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #118 on: August 19, 2023, 07:34:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on August 19, 2023, 04:14:07 AM
    Hmm how high do you have to be before you can see the 'curve'?

    EDIT: Searching for flat earth on youtube is so difficult to find good content, all you get is garbage 'debunking' and mockery nonsense.

    This is a good question.  Globers used to claim that you could start seeing curvature at the typical altitude of a commercial plane, at about 30,000 feet, and would adduce that as evidence for the globe.  Certainly if you can see boats disappearing from the bottom up when at sea level, you should be able to see some curvature at that altitude.

    But then the Globers had a problem.  Amateur groups started sending balloons up to 120,000 feet and the images showed a perfectly flat horizon at eye level.  So the propaganda had to change.  They rolled out Neil de Grasse Tyson to claim that at 128,000 feet "that stuff is flat."  While some Globers were using the fisheye-lens-created curvature of the "Red Bull" jump as proof of globe, the higher-ups realized that if they didn't expose the Red Bull jump for what it was, they'd have to accept the evidence from the amateur balloons.

    But they're lying.  At 120,00 feet, you absolutely should see the curvature, by way of the horizon dropping below eye level.  Mathematical simulators out there demonstrate that there should be a noticeable drop in the horizon line.  In fact, from one end of the state of Kansas to another, there should be a bulge of nearly 120,000 feet, the same height that these amateur balloons go up to.  No such curvature appears.

    Lack of any drop in the level of the horizon at 120,000 feet, as seen from the amateur balloons, is conclusive mathematical proof that there's NO CURVATURE ... yet this evidence is ignored by the globers.
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    Re: Biblical Flat Earth
    « Reply #119 on: August 19, 2023, 07:37:42 AM »
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    • Take this to 120,000 feet to demonstrate (based on math) what you SHOULD see.

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