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Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
« on: February 27, 2018, 11:55:14 PM »
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  • Excellent and easy to follow video showing that The Bible does indeed depict a Flat and Stationary Earth.  



    40  Bible verses that prove the Earth is FLAT!

    (might want to skip ahead past the introduction to minute 7)

    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #1 on: February 28, 2018, 12:09:53 AM »
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  • "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #2 on: February 28, 2018, 12:12:01 AM »
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  • "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #3 on: February 28, 2018, 12:24:45 AM »
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    So you're a Jєω! That explains everything.
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    KosherFoodsTrad would have been a more honest username.
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    The Bible doesn't describe the earth as being "flat" you must be confused with the Koran.
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    Maybe Jєωs and Mohammedans have more in common than they think.   :jester:
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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #4 on: February 28, 2018, 12:48:38 AM »
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  • The Old and New Testament consistently portray a Flat and Stationary Earth from Genesis to The Apocalypse (Revelations). 
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #5 on: February 28, 2018, 09:42:11 AM »
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  • The Old and New Testament consistently portray a Flat and Stationary Earth from Genesis to The Apocalypse (Revelations).

    True. Some here deny it, but since some of the Fathers believed this too regarding scripture and the flat stationary earth, we can't be faulted for it believing it. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #6 on: February 28, 2018, 09:52:56 AM »
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    So you're a Jєω! That explains everything.
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    KosherFoodsTrad would have been a more honest username.
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    The Bible doesn't describe the earth as being "flat" you must be confused with the Koran.
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    Maybe Jєωs and Mohammedans have more in common than they think.   :jester:
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    One doesn't need to be a Jєω in order to read and understand the Old Testament. The early Church Fathers were well-read in the Old Testament. Just because the OT is irrelevant to you doesn't mean that we can't refer to it, as the Church Fathers did. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #7 on: March 01, 2018, 12:21:29 AM »
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  • "The ancient Israelites envisaged a universe made up of a flat disc-shaped earth floating on water, heaven above, underworld below"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_cosmology#Cosmography_(shape_and_structure_of_the_cosmos)

    I'm not saying I believe in Flat Earth or even a Stationary Earth or that Catholics should or shouldn't, but there's really no debate about this, anymore than there is debate that The Bible depicts Christ as The Son of God or that The Bible depicts Creation in 6 days, not 14 Billion.  By modern sensibilities The Bible is extremely anti-semitic, racist, homophobic, islamaphobic, sexist, full of myth and just plain bologna and definitely anti-science in its attitude towards just about everything, not to mention bad for kids!   :laugh1:  So, I don't think you can judge The Bible by modern standards and expect it to be anything but ludicrous.  


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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #8 on: March 01, 2018, 09:54:53 AM »
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  • Excellent and easy to follow video showing that The Bible does indeed depict a Flat and Stationary Earth.  



    40  Bible verses that prove the Earth is FLAT!

    (might want to skip ahead past the introduction to minute 7)

    This video was extremely unconvincing.

    Prot private Bible interpretation on display.  Language in the Bible for a MOTIONLESS earth is very strong and cannot be dismissed, but the flat earth stuff is read into it based on a possible reading of something that could easily be metaphorical.

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 10:03:44 AM »
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  • This video was extremely unconvincing.

    Prot private Bible interpretation on display.  Language in the Bible for a MOTIONLESS earth is very strong and cannot be dismissed, but the flat earth stuff is read into it based on a possible reading of something that could easily be metaphorical.

    How is it to be determined, in a Catholic sense, that certain parts of scripture are metaphorical? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #10 on: March 01, 2018, 11:52:17 AM »
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  • How is it to be determined, in a Catholic sense, that certain parts of scripture are metaphorical?

    Several of the passages cited were OBVIOUSLY metaphorical, similes even, such as, "like a tent" or "like a looking glass", etc.  Obviously this does not mean that they are alike in every aspect or that there's actually a literal tent in the sky.  So HOW or IN WHAT RESPECT are they alike?

    On the other hand, the passages on "motionless earth" were extremely direct and cannot be understood as metaphor.



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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #11 on: March 01, 2018, 11:56:55 AM »
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  • Bible says unequivocally earth does not move, but "Catholic" Robert Sungenis teaches earth rotates on its axis.

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #12 on: March 01, 2018, 12:08:14 PM »
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  • How is it to be determined, in a Catholic sense, that certain parts of scripture are metaphorical?
    This isn't exactly an answer to your question, but it demonstrates how scripture should be accepted based on the literal first, metaphorical if irreconcilable with the literal, and lay persons must always submit to the Church's opinion, ultimately.  
    Revelations 19:7
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    Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.
    Now, while its obvious to all that Jesus isn't actually a bleating lamb, the metaphor is clear to Catholics that Jesus is the sacrificial lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.  That we eat the lamb in Communion continues the metaphor, yet, it would be false to say that we should not literally eat Jesus because the passages above are metaphorical.  In other words, the metaphor strengthens the whole picture, it doesn't deny the whole picture. 

    Second Vatican Council in the "Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation," section 8:

    [The doctrinal tradition], which comes from the apostles, develops in the Church, with the help of the Holy Spirit. For there is a growth in the understanding of the realities and the words that have been handed down. This happens through contemplation and study made by believers, who treasure these things in their hearts (cf. Lk 2:19, 51), through the intimate understanding of spiritual things they experience, and through the preaching of those who have received through episcopal succession the sure gift of truth. For as the centuries succeed one another, the church constantly moves forward toward the fullness of divine truth until the words of God reach their complete fulfillment in her."

    Doctrinal understanding properly can be said to "develop" in the Church in two main ways: by clarification of expression, and by elaboration of content.   Not by adding to or taking away from let alone contradicting.  Here are some Scriptural passages for support of the Immaculate Conception.

    Gabriel referred to Mary as "full of grace" (Luke 1:2)
    Elizabeth: Luke 1:42: and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!"
    Luke 6:43:"For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit;"
    1 Corinthians 6:17: But he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him"The above is not terribly convincing support for the Immaculate Conception, but these passages are some of the best biblical offerings we Catholics have.  There are others, but they aren't much better at pointing out that Mary was without sin unless paired with revelation from Tradition.  As it turns out, the scriptural passages for flat earth collectively are far more certain when one considers that God imparts to us, as PD teaches, in a way so that we can see and understand.  Scripture says repeatedly that earth has four corners, ends, pillars, has a dome-like vault above it, with water above that; That Christ was shown the entire earth with all its kingdoms.  Now, while this last one might be a mystical type vision suggesting metaphor, the book of Daniel suggests again that he saw the entire earth, something possible only if earth was not a globe:  Daniel 4:10-11 10This was the vision of my head in my bed: I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was exceeding great. 11The tree was great, and strong: and the height thereof reached unto heaven: the sight thereof was even to the ends of all the earth."  Doubters insist, "well that was a dream". Yet nothing about the dream is reconcilable with a globe and clearly suggests a planar earth.  
    When joined with other passages, literally dozens, one gets the same picture.  Earth is described as simply as it sounds, flat, with mountains and valleys, but never even remotely does it suggest its globular.  Add to that the statements of the Fathers and exegeses from the saints, one would find himself outside the ridiculous to try to make a globe earth fit, never mind the science.  The final straw is that the globe has been promoted throughout the ages by pagans and is accepted by pagans today.  Modern science lies about the globe and remains unable to prove it. It even turns out most of NASA proofs are lies as they attempt to show photos of a globe earth. Sometimes, God intends for man to get a clue before He reveals more.  In this case, man refuses to get a clue, and the grace of knowing appears to have largely been withheld.  The people who sneer and say, "Where does it say in scripture that earth is flat?" are the same kind that say, "Where in scripture does it say Mary never sinned?"  Well, its there; in scripture, in tradition, supporting a multitude of other proofs besides.

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #13 on: March 01, 2018, 01:36:53 PM »
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  • Bible says unequivocally earth does not move, but "Catholic" Robert Sungenis teaches earth rotates on its axis.

    How does he know that it rotates?  He spilled a lot of ink talking about how motion is relative.

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #14 on: March 01, 2018, 01:44:16 PM »
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  • Several of the passages cited were OBVIOUSLY metaphorical, similes even, such as, "like a tent" or "like a looking glass", etc.  Obviously this does not mean that they are alike in every aspect or that there's actually a literal tent in the sky.  So HOW or IN WHAT RESPECT are they alike?

    On the other hand, the passages on "motionless earth" were extremely direct and cannot be understood as metaphor.
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    If the Bible cannot be understood as metaphorical regarding the non-movement of the earth, then how should the movement of the earth be explained during an earthquake?
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    Anyone who has experienced an earthquake would have to be an utter lunatic to say the earth never moves.
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