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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2018, 01:51:14 PM »
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  •  Earth is described as simply as it sounds, flat, with mountains and valleys, but never even remotely does it suggest its globular.  
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    You're just making this up.  Fantasyland for happenby.  The Bible never describes the earth as "flat."
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    But the Koran DOES. Maybe you're spending too much time ecuмenizing with Mohammedans.

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #16 on: March 01, 2018, 02:13:07 PM »
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    You're just making this up.  Fantasyland for happenby.  The Bible never describes the earth as "flat."
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    But the Koran DOES. Maybe you're spending too much time ecuмenizing with Mohammedans.
    Ha. I rest my case.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #17 on: March 01, 2018, 02:31:37 PM »
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  • Ha. I rest my case.
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    It's interesting to see you have nothing to do but wait for me to post so you can go "Ha."  HAHAHA
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    BTW you don't have a case! :D
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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #18 on: March 01, 2018, 02:42:51 PM »
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    If the Bible cannot be understood as metaphorical regarding the non-movement of the earth, then how should the movement of the earth be explained during an earthquake?
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    Anyone who has experienced an earthquake would have to be an utter lunatic to say the earth never moves.
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    Come on now, to say that something is motionless doesn't mean that it's completely static.  If a tree is planted in the ground, and the branches move because of the wind, you don't say that the tree has moved (from its location).

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #19 on: March 01, 2018, 03:00:19 PM »
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  • Come on now, to say that something is motionless doesn't mean that it's completely static.  If a tree is planted in the ground, and the branches move because of the wind, you don't say that the tree has moved (from its location).
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    If something is motionless, it doesn't move. 
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    During an earthquake, entire buildings can move off their foundations, and entire mountains can move from their place. 
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    In L.A. there were mountains that grew 6 feet taller during the Northridge quake of 1994.
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    If a mountain range moves up 6 feet, the earth moves in the opposite direction a relative amount, maybe 0.00000001 inch.
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    A seismograph measures the movement of the earth, that is, when the earth moves during an earthquake.
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    So the movement of the earth is an established and observed fact of reality.
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    It's not the place of the Church to proclaim something that can be so roundly refuted by simple observation.
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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #20 on: March 01, 2018, 03:01:29 PM »
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  • How does he know that it rotates?  He spilled a lot of ink talking about how motion is relative.
    Exactly. 
    But for him, he HAS to keep a rotating earth because he's thrown his lot in with the globe.
    He just dispensed with the Bible verses of stationary earth and stuck with rotation. It's actually quite silly.  The flat earth model would solve all the major problems with his version of geocentric globe.

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #21 on: March 01, 2018, 03:02:31 PM »
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  • Exactly.
    But for him, he HAS to keep a rotating earth because he's thrown his lot in with the globe.
    He just dispensed with the Bible verses of stationary earth and stuck with rotation. It's actually quite silly.  The flat earth model would solve all the major problems with his version of geocentric globe.
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    Flat-earthers have no case.
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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #22 on: March 01, 2018, 03:07:36 PM »
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  • Exactly.
    But for him, he HAS to keep a rotating earth because he's thrown his lot in with the globe.
    He just dispensed with the Bible verses of stationary earth and stuck with rotation. It's actually quite silly.  The flat earth model would solve all the major problems with his version of geocentric globe.

    But even if you believe in globe, what says that it has to rotate or move in any way?


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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #23 on: March 01, 2018, 03:19:20 PM »
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    If something is motionless, it doesn't move.
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    During an earthquake, entire buildings can move off their foundations, and entire mountains can move from their place.
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    In L.A. there were mountains that grew 6 feet taller during the Northridge quake of 1994.
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    If a mountain range moves up 6 feet, the earth moves in the opposite direction a relative amount, maybe 0.00000001 inch.
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    A seismograph measures the movement of the earth, that is, when the earth moves during an earthquake.
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    So the movement of the earth is an established and observed fact of reality.
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    It's not the place of the Church to proclaim something that can be so roundly refuted by simple observation.
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    There is no observable fact to show earth's rotation. 
    None.

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #24 on: March 01, 2018, 03:56:16 PM »
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  • But even if you believe in globe, what says that it has to rotate or move in any way?
    It probably doesn't have to, if you are a Geocentrist.  Of course, there is that whole thing about people not being able to walk upside down and such.   ;D
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #25 on: March 01, 2018, 03:58:54 PM »
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  • True. Some here deny it, but since some of the Fathers believed this too regarding scripture and the flat stationary earth, we can't be faulted for it believing it.
    Well yeah, and so do most Scholars, regardless of their religion or lack thereof.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #26 on: March 01, 2018, 04:04:00 PM »
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  • This video was extremely unconvincing.

    Prot private Bible interpretation on display.  Language in the Bible for a MOTIONLESS earth is very strong and cannot be dismissed, but the flat earth stuff is read into it based on a possible reading of something that could easily be metaphorical.
    Wait a minute, do you think that The Church actually denies that The Bible portrays a Flat and Stationary Earth??  I mean, from this post you must!!  That's extremely ignorant.  You must have fallen for Subjectivism:  all truth is in the eye of the beholder or something like that.  The Bible objectively portrays a Flat and Stationary Earth;  the only debate is among people who don't know any better.  

    As far as The Church is concerned, the only question is:  can we demonstrate scientifically that The Biblical portayal of things like Young Earth, Flat Earth, Stationary Earth, Demonic Possession/Oppression ect are correct or not?  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #27 on: March 01, 2018, 04:10:10 PM »
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  • But even if you believe in globe, what says that it has to rotate or move in any way?
    Rotation is the mechanism for day & night.
    Without rotation he has no explanation for day/night. 

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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #28 on: March 01, 2018, 04:58:48 PM »
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  • There is no observable fact to show earth's rotation.
    None.
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    You can say the sun, moon and stars rotate around the earth, which is why we get sunrise and star tracks.
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    Or you can say the earth rotates on its own axis which is why we get sunrise and star tracks.
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    But it's one or the other, which is observable fact. So you're wrong, again (and again, and again...)
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    Re: Bible Depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth
    « Reply #29 on: March 01, 2018, 05:08:41 PM »
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  • True. Some here deny it, but since some of the Fathers believed this too regarding scripture and the flat stationary earth, we can't be faulted for it believing it.
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    What you CAN be faulted for is refusing to observe what is there in front of your eyes.
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    The angle between the sun and quarter moon is always very close to 90 degrees.
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    This is solid evidence for the enormous distance between earth and sun, hundreds of times further than earth to moon.
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    Which is impossible on any "flat" earth concept, any way you choose to look at it.
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    And you repeatedly choose to ignore all the other facts of the real world that show you the earth is not "flat."
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    You can be faulted for what you choose to do, time after time, and what you choose to believe, which is a fable.
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    Flat-earthers with itching ears, fulfill the prophesy of II Timothy 4:3-4.
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    Flat-earthers turn away their hearing from the truth, and turn unto fables.
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