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Offline Miser Peccator

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Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2023, 02:56:25 PM »
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  • The flat earth theory posits that the sun moves in a way that violates just about every law of physics we know of.

    1. It floats in the air contrary to the observable phenomenon that everything naturally falls towards the earth.
    2. It moves without propulsion. Impossible.
    3. It moves in a circle. This would require an additional form of propulsion or force to overcome the centrifugal force of an object moving in a circle. By themselves, moving objects move in a straight line.
    4. It moves in a spiral according to the yearly cycle of the seasons. Thus, it begins towards the center of the flat earth at the summer solstice, and as it rotates it is pushed by an unknown force towards Antarctica, mysteriously reversing its path back towards the north pole at the winter solstice. What causes this attraction towards Antarctica, and then pushes it back to the north again?

    I could go on. Also, people have been observing ships disappear hull-first in the distance since literally the first ship that ever sailed (Noe's Ark?). The assertion that lower part of the ship becomes visible through a telescope or telephoto lens is absurd because an optical lens does not enable the viewer to see an object that was previously obstructed from view by another object. Lenses don't work that way; they don't change the nature of what someone is looking at, all they do is increase the size of what is already visible to the viewer. And the hull of the ship is obstructed by the surface of the water. No lens could enable a person to see through that obstruction.

    The same is true of the sun when it sets over a body of water. The lower half of the sun disappears, from the bottom up, behind the surface of the water. If the earth were flat, it would be impossible for part of the sun to be obstructed by a body of water and the rest of it to be visible.


    What force is causing the sun to move in the globe earth model?  What force causes the earth to tilt and spin? 


    The very big reason flat earth has gained traction is because people can buy Nikon P900 or P1000 cameras now and zoom far out.

    So people around the world are going out and filming boats and bringing them into view when they should be hidden behind the curve. Many of these videos, like all flat earth videos are being shadowbanned on Youtube.  Why are they trying to hide it? 

    So why do the boats appear to be hidden "behind the curve" in the first place if they really aren't

    and why does the sun appear to get cut in half when it goes far away making it look like it's "going down?

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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #46 on: June 13, 2023, 03:16:50 PM »
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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #47 on: June 13, 2023, 03:18:45 PM »
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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #48 on: June 16, 2023, 11:29:17 AM »
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  • A question for flat-earth understanding.


    How are eclipses of the moon explained on a flat Earth?

    A lunar eclipse happens when the sun passes behind the Earth causing the shadow of the Earth to cover the moon.

    Don't both the sun and moon have to stay above a flat Earth?

    On a flat-Earth the sun never passes under the round flat Earth to cause the wonder. 

    So, there must be an explanation as this is something flat-Earthers must have covered.

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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #49 on: June 16, 2023, 12:28:03 PM »
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  • A question for flat-earth understanding.
    How are eclipses of the moon explained on a flat Earth?

    A lunar eclipse happens when the sun passes behind the Earth causing the shadow of the Earth to cover the moon.

    Don't both the sun and moon have to stay above a flat Earth?

    On a flat-Earth the sun never passes under the round flat Earth to cause the wonder.

    So, there must be an explanation as this is something flat-Earthers must have covered.

    Depends on how the circuits of the two line up really.  Globe earth theory, claiming that it's due to the earth being between the sun and the moon, cannot really explain selenelions.  Some posit another dark body up there that will occasionally occlude either the moon or the sun.

    Also, one theory holds that the moon gives off its own light and that the moon is not a solid object, but more of an electrical or plasma phenomenon.  Professional astronomers have recorded observations where stars can be seen through the "darkened" part of the moon.  Strangely, also, moonlight actually has a measurable cooling effect.  In that case, lunar eclipses are not really a "shadow" from anything.

    I also find preposterous the explanation for why the same face of the moon is always seen from earth.  If the difference between the moon's rate of rotation and rate of revolution around the earth were even a half second off, we'd notice the face of the moon changing over times.  Not to mention that modern science claims that the moon is slipping a bit farther away every year, and so the rotation speed of the moon would also have to adjust to match that.

    For all these reasons, I don't buy modern science's explanation of the moon.

    Moon tide theory is also provably nonsense, i.e. the notion that the moon causes tides.  Even Newton, who invented the theory, wasn't really satisfied with it.

    Globers like to point out every place where FE doesn't have complete answers, but ignore how the globe theory has lots of problems that can't be answered either.

    So one thing that Globers like to argue is, "Look, the shadown/darkness on the moon follows a curved line.  Therefore, the object casting the shadow must also be curved/round."  Problem is that it's not true.  Experiments demonstrate that the shadow of a spherical object when cast onto another spherical object ... actually produces a straight line, and not a curved line (due to their BOTH being spherical).

    For all that modern science claim that x, y, z are provable fact, the more we realize that they're full of it, and that these are nothing more than theories, and there's a lot of data out there to falsify their theories.  It's possible that some aspects of the FE model can be falsified, but the way science works is that you refine your model and test it out, to see if it explains all observable phenomena.  But the same thing holds of the globe.  When mountains that should be hidden beneath 45 MILES of curvature have been photographed from 700 miles away (by non-Flat Earthers), there's a real problem, and refraction just can't cut it as an explanation.


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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #50 on: June 26, 2023, 06:52:01 AM »
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  • How is the Coriolis effect explained on a flat Earth? the Coriolis Effect, with its sea-currents, winds and storms moving eastward on Earth beginning north and south from the equator

    the inertia caused by a rotating universe has an understandable effect on a global Earth as illustrated




    How can it happen on a flat-Earth if there is no curve to work on?



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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #51 on: June 26, 2023, 07:15:00 AM »
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  • How is the Coriolis effect explained on a flat Earth? the Coriolis Effect, with its sea-currents, winds and storms moving eastward on Earth beginning north and south from the equator

    There is no "Coriolis effect" ... it's made up.  But in FE theory, the firmament does revolve or rotate around the earth ... it's just that the stars aren't billions of light years away.

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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #52 on: June 26, 2023, 10:49:04 AM »
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  • The Coriolis Effect can be demonstrated but what I think may be off about those experiments is the results and conclusions they come up with to explain it.  I think it has to do with a rotating ether around a stationary Earth (my thinking right now) or certain electromagnetic push/pull systems (can't rule it out) and not the earth spinning as the modern "science" tries to explain it.  


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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #53 on: June 26, 2023, 11:12:30 AM »
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  • The Coriolis Effect can be demonstrated but what I think may be off about those experiments is the results and conclusions they come up with to explain it.  I think it has to do with a rotating ether around a stationary Earth (my thinking right now) or certain electromagnetic push/pull systems (can't rule it out) and not the earth spinning as the modern "science" tries to explain it. 

    There are some phenomena that could be explained by Coriolis Effect theory, but then in other cases, the "effect" is nowhere to be found ... meaning that there's something else at work there.

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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #54 on: June 26, 2023, 12:03:25 PM »
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  • The Coriolis Effect can be demonstrated but what I think may be off about those experiments is the results and conclusions they come up with to explain it.  I think it has to do with a rotating ether around a stationary Earth (my thinking right now) or certain electromagnetic push/pull systems (can't rule it out) and not the earth spinning as the modern "science" tries to explain it. 

    I live in Ireland and we have benefited from the north Atlantic drift coming from Mexico. Most of our weather systems also come from the south west.

    The M&M experiment, looking for an inertia of 30Kms found only one that was 97% to one caused by the universe spinning around the Earth or by a rotating earth. But for a heliocentric interpretation you needed a 30Kms. In other words the M&M test showed evidence only for a geocentric Coriolis. Because of this M&M said it was a NIL result trying to hide the geocentric result of a perfectly scientific experiment.

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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #55 on: June 26, 2023, 12:45:50 PM »
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  • I live in Ireland and we have benefited from the north Atlantic drift coming from Mexico. Most of our weather systems also come from the south west.

    While this is not an FE issue so much as a motionless earth question, I've always found it preposterous that the jet streams move in the same direction as the earth's alleged rotation.  So the earth is rotating at about 700+ MPH on average in the most inhabited parts of the northern "hemisphere", so nearly the speed of sound, and further south, well surpassing the speed of sound.  Yet the jet streams also move from West to East.  In that case, they would have to be moving faster than the rotation of the earth.  All the laws of inertia suggest that if the earth were rotating from West to East that the jetstream would be moving in the opposite direction from West to East.


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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #56 on: June 26, 2023, 02:52:00 PM »
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  • While this is not an FE issue so much as a motionless earth question, I've always found it preposterous that the jet streams move in the same direction as the earth's alleged rotation.  So the earth is rotating at about 700+ MPH on average in the most inhabited parts of the northern "hemisphere", so nearly the speed of sound, and further south, well surpassing the speed of sound.  Yet the jet streams also move from West to East.  In that case, they would have to be moving faster than the rotation of the earth.  All the laws of inertia suggest that if the earth were rotating from West to East that the jetstream would be moving in the opposite direction from West to East.
    Of course you can err, and you have a tendency to over simplify things and forget the very numerous variables involved. You also have a hard time identifying closed systems and considering things accordingly. The speed of sound has nothing to do with it. In fact, the speed of sound is high variable depending on temperature, pressure, density, the substance the sound is travelling through, ect.

    There's nothing to keep the atmosphere stationary, no friction against any firmament or whatever. The earth has been rotating (if it is rotating) for plenty long enough for the atmosphere to have caught up to speed with it via the friction against the ground, trees, mountains, ect. On top of that, if the earth is a globe, the rotating mass of air would want to move toward the equator. As it does, it's pressure will increase because the volume of 2 hemispheres of atmosphere are trying to reach the equator, due to centrifugal force, so they collide and increase in pressure, or can increase in speed. This is how the air could end up moving faster than the earth's rotation. In all fairness, I think that the air would have a tendency to move slower than the earth at the equator because it is moving further away from the axis of rotation, but the air will still be moving in the same direction as the earth even at the equator. Therefore, the air still has the potential to exceed the speed of the rotation of the earth as the air collides from both sides of the equator.

    On top of this is the variable of the sun's heating ability, which unevenly heats the atmosphere and could have a pushing effect on the air mass. The question is: which direction would the sun's heat cause the air to move? Maybe it could equally push it in either direction if the air wasn't already biased by the centrifugal force from earth's rotation.
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    Re: Questions for non-flat earth geocentrism
    « Reply #57 on: June 26, 2023, 02:52:43 PM »
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  • While this is not an FE issue so much as a motionless earth question, I've always found it preposterous that the jet streams move in the same direction as the earth's alleged rotation.  So the earth is rotating at about 700+ MPH on average in the most inhabited parts of the northern "hemisphere", so nearly the speed of sound, and further south, well surpassing the speed of sound.  Yet the jet streams also move from West to East.  In that case, they would have to be moving faster than the rotation of the earth.  All the laws of inertia suggest that if the earth were rotating from West to East that the jetstream would be moving in the opposite direction from West to East.

           Spinning Earth effect?  or    Spinning universe effect
    I couldn't agree with you more Ladislaus, I have been trying to figure out the logic of this for a long time. Compare their logic with a boat moving in water.
    If you are in a boat moving through the water, you would see the effect the movement has on the water. Which of the two motions below is the most likely. 


    SPINNING universe


    ROTATING EARTH