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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2025, 11:11:53 AM »
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    Trust your eyes.
    :facepalm:  This is the exact opposite of science.

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    Offline Gray2023

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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #16 on: March 04, 2025, 11:22:50 AM »
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    • Here is the definition of science


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      the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained.
    Notice the first requirement is observation. That means seeing with the eyes, then you do the rest. Maybe trusting our eyes is not always a good thing, but it is where science starts.


    As for the moon that I saw yesterday I could see that there was more to its shape than what was lit from below. If it had its own light what is the explanation of the movement of light on its surface in comparison to still seeing the whole shape of the moon. Does any one, who leans to a flat earth have a probable explanation for this?
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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #17 on: March 04, 2025, 02:29:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 04, 2025, 11:11:53 AM
    :facepalm:  This is the exact opposite of science.
    The FEs often say to trust your eyes by seeing too far and seeing no curve. Where's the science for FEs? They take youtubers' word for it. No need to consider the other videos that test the validity of the FE conclusions. We get lied to, therefore all cօռspιʀαcιҽs must be true. :facepalm: Are your ears itchy for something flat?

    How can the sun arc around the north pole during summer, South pole during winter, not follow an arc but a straight line over the equator twice per year, not shrink and fade increasingly slowly into the distance at sun set and reverse at sunrise, appear to drop below ground level only to illuminate the other half of earth, and be able to illuminate the moon from below the horizon and even be blocked by the moon, if the earth isn't a sphere with the sun much further than the orbiting moon?

     How can the clouds be illuminated from below only during a short period around sunrise & set, how can mountains cast shadows up onto clouds around that time?

    Isn't the circuit of the sun mentioned in scripture? The sun sure doesn't take a hard turn after heading straight towards the ground, so the circuit must go around the back side.

    It is fitting for space to extend impossibly far, for as high as the heavens are above the earth, so are God's ways above ours. How then shall we comprehend the foundations of the earth? It is founded upon God's will, a most sure and stable thing, and with the heavens being a great expanse in all directions, so it is fitting for hell to be as far from it as possible, crammed in the center of the earth where there can be found no solid bottom.
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #18 on: March 04, 2025, 02:38:08 PM »
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    • :facepalm:  Observation without experiments/calculations is ridiculous.

    The “see too far” experiments are testing SCIENTIFIC MEASUREMENTS as proposed by the big-science industry.  Nobody is just randomly looking into a telescope and saying, “Hmm, this seems like too far of distance for me to see.”  :laugh1:  

    Your criticisms just show that you don’t even understand what the FE’ers are doing.  :facepalm:
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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #19 on: March 04, 2025, 02:57:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: St Giles on March 04, 2025, 02:29:14 PM
    The FEs often say to trust your eyes by seeing too far and seeing no curve. Where's the science for FEs? They take youtubers' word for it. No need to consider the other videos that test the validity of the FE conclusions. We get lied to, therefore all cօռspιʀαcιҽs must be true. :facepalm: Are your ears itchy for something flat?

    How can the sun arc around the north pole during summer, South pole during winter, not follow an arc but a straight line over the equator twice per year, not shrink and fade increasingly slowly into the distance at sun set and reverse at sunrise, appear to drop below ground level only to illuminate the other half of earth, and be able to illuminate the moon from below the horizon and even be blocked by the moon, if the earth isn't a sphere with the sun much further than the orbiting moon?

     How can the clouds be illuminated from below only during a short period around sunrise & set, how can mountains cast shadows up onto clouds around that time?

    Isn't the circuit of the sun mentioned in scripture? The sun sure doesn't take a hard turn after heading straight towards the ground, so the circuit must go around the back side.

    It is fitting for space to extend impossibly far, for as high as the heavens are above the earth, so are God's ways above ours. How then shall we comprehend the foundations of the earth? It is founded upon God's will, a most sure and stable thing, and with the heavens being a great expanse in all directions, so it is fitting for hell to be as far from it as possible, crammed in the center of the earth where there can be found no solid bottom.

    Where is the science of spherical earth, globe promoters? Where is the math that proves the Earth has curvature commensurate with a 25,000 mile globe? NASA and the globe theory is rejected for not providing sufficient proof that curvature exists. Denying flat earth is not enough, you have to prove the Earth is curved in such a way so as to complete a sphere. Let's not forget the fake moon landing, fake lunar module, fake dune buggy, fake space suits, and the fake video of a globe earth presented from the moon. The Fathers of the Church were flat earthers who accepted the Hebrew concept of Creation and we know that the Church condemned the Pythagorean globe and actually burned people at the stake for promoting alternate pagan globe theories. Where is the proof that earth is a globe?
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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #20 on: March 04, 2025, 02:57:50 PM »
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    How can the sun arc around the north pole during summer, South pole during winter, not follow an arc but a straight line over the equator twice per year, not shrink and fade increasingly slowly into the distance at sun set and reverse at sunrise, appear to drop below ground level only to illuminate the other half of earth, and be able to illuminate the moon from below the horizon and even be blocked by the moon, if the earth isn't a sphere with the sun much further than the orbiting moon?

     How can the clouds be illuminated from below only during a short period around sunrise & set, how can mountains cast shadows up onto clouds around that time?

    Isn't the circuit of the sun mentioned in scripture? The sun sure doesn't take a hard turn after heading straight towards the ground, so the circuit must go around the back side.
    You should read the chapters of the "Book of Enoch" where he explains how the angels move the planets.

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    It is fitting for space to extend impossibly far, for as high as the heavens are above the earth, so are God's ways above ours.
     No.  There's a firmament.

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    How then shall we comprehend the foundations of the earth? It is founded upon God's will, a most sure and stable thing, and with the heavens being a great expanse in all directions, so it is fitting for hell to be as far from it as possible, crammed in the center of the earth where there can be found no solid bottom.
    Foundations of the earth...see picture below.


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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #21 on: March 04, 2025, 03:01:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 04, 2025, 02:38:08 PM
    :facepalm:  Observation without experiments/calculations is ridiculous.

    The “see too far” experiments are testing SCIENTIFIC MEASUREMENTS as proposed by the big-science industry.  Nobody is just randomly looking into a telescope and saying, “Hmm, this seems like too far of distance for me to see.”  :laugh1: 

    Your criticisms just show that you don’t even understand what the FE’ers are doing.  :facepalm:

    That's actually what I see the globers doing.  "Look! part of the bottom of that boat is missing."  No attempt whatsoever to let us know the data ... how far away is it, how much of it should be missing at that distance, what optics are you using, what the weather conditions are, i.e. whether there may be choppy waves responsible, or humidity if they say refraction is or is not involved.  Meanwhile, the FEs do all that work every time.  Dr. John D makes 90-minute videos because he so meticulously measures everything.

    That's 100% confirmation bias where they see something and consider that "proof" without even attempting to analyze it.

    Also quite interesting is that whenever something does NOT disappear when it should due to globe they just automatically claim "refraction" (without any proof but just due to assuming it can't be true), but then when something does disappear, say, the bottom of those windmills in the one picture, "aha! globe! proof!" ... but wait a minute, what about refraction? ... Could refraction have been responsible for what we see?  No, refraction magically just appears out of nowhere when there's some indication of Flat but then just as magically disappears when there's any suggestion of globe.  "Hey, wait.  Why is that one blade of the windmill in the back 10x bigger than the blade of the windmill in the front.  Should be smaller unless there's some atmospheric effect going on."  -- "Shut up, FLERF!  You moron you!"

    You could cut the intellectual dishonesty there with a knife.  It's downright pathetic really.
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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #22 on: March 04, 2025, 03:39:49 PM »
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    • In trying to find Ladislaus' Dr John D'sD's video, I found this instead

    https://youtu.be/z2f3O0C2_y0?si=VngrluI8B2oqYODe

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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #23 on: March 04, 2025, 03:49:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 04, 2025, 03:39:49 PM
    In trying to find Ladislaus' Dr John D'sD's video, I found this instead

    https://youtu.be/z2f3O0C2_y0?si=VngrluI8B2oqYODe

    Is this proof that earth is a globe? Some European accent stating his personal belief? LOL.      
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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #24 on: March 04, 2025, 03:55:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 04, 2025, 03:39:49 PM
    In trying to find Ladislaus' Dr John D'sD's video, I found this instead

    https://youtu.be/z2f3O0C2_y0?si=VngrluI8B2oqYODe

    And why is that?  Oh, wait, it's because you can't find any FE stuff anymore unless you know the URL ahead of time, since it's suppressed by Jewgle and Jewtube.  But, you see, for the first time in their history, they are actually trying to do good and serve the interests of truth, to make sure that humanity are not deceived by the errors of the Flat Earthers, so it's just their philanthropy motivating them to make so it's next to impossible to find FE materials.
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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #25 on: March 04, 2025, 03:57:31 PM »
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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #26 on: March 04, 2025, 04:03:15 PM »
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    • Has the Catholic Church ever spoken on this issue
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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #27 on: March 04, 2025, 04:05:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on March 04, 2025, 03:49:10 PM
    Is this proof that earth is a globe? Some European accent stating his personal belief? LOL.     
    The problem is perspective.

    Isn't all the proofs on the internet come from essentially some random guy stating their personal belief?

    If you have a convincing video, please post it.
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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #28 on: March 04, 2025, 04:06:16 PM »
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    Re: Balloon footage - it's flat
    « Reply #29 on: March 04, 2025, 04:38:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 04, 2025, 04:05:27 PM
    The problem is perspective.

    Isn't all the proofs on the internet come from essentially some random guy stating their personal belief?

    If you have a convincing video, please post it.

    Ok, what about 'perspective' do you think proves the globe? Sorry but no rando personal beliefs will do. If you're going to use science or math, it really has to hold up on its own. Science and math work with the description provided in Scripture and the form of the Earth described isn't a globe. Saints also support the flat earth along with the Fathers of the Church because Scripture is the basis of their teachings.  If you think you're going to fly some theory in contradiction with Scripture, history, the Fathers of the Church, saints, etc. because you favor a modern view of a pagan globe, you have the greater burden of proof. The Pythagorean doctrine and Copernican globe theory were consistently condemned by the Church multiple times. If you don't realize this, or accept the Cecco/Bruno/Galileo condemnations by the authorities of the Catholic church, as well as the definitive statements by the popes condemning heliocentrism/Copernicanism/Pythagorean Doctrine, please provide proof to show that these saints and popes were wrong. 
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