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Offline WholeFoodsTrad

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Re: Are other planets flat?
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2018, 10:40:17 PM »
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    The Bible never has any description of the earth as "flat" but the Qur'an does.
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    Maybe you're actually a Mohammedan trying to infiltrate the Church with your heresy.
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    The Old Testament is much older, than The Koran.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #31 on: April 18, 2018, 12:56:46 AM »
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  • Do people who think the Earth is flat also think the other planets, moon, and sun are flat?  I ask in all seriousness as I don't remember ever hearing their opinions on the other celestial bodies.
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    Consequently, three pages later, and no flat-earther has bothered to address the question posted at the head of this topic.
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    Maybe they're hoping the question will just go away.
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    But then, flat-earthers keep hoping lots and lots of questions will just go away.
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    Questions, questions on the lam,
    Why must we endure?
    Pester us with things we fear
    But we don't have a plan.
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    Model, model why should we care?
    Interest vested we profess!
    Keep our dull show on the air
    Why should we care less?
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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #32 on: April 18, 2018, 01:52:59 PM »
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  • So, Neil, what do you make of pictures like the one I just posted above?

    I've seen many of these, where images NASA alleges to be coming from Mars are demonstrated to be specific identifiable places on earth.  What gives?
    There's no picture on the post above this one.  I came late to the topic, but I'd like to see what you were trying to show.

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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #33 on: April 21, 2018, 04:27:14 AM »
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  • For what it's worth, Marlelar, Tycho Brahe , the renowned astronomer, after having died and his materials taken by Keppler (who would subsequently save Copernicus' doctrine) stated:

    “There really are not any spheres in the heavens… Those of which have been devised by the experts to save the appearances exist only in the imagination, for the purpose of enabling the mind to conceive the motion which the heavenly bodies trace in their course and, by the aid of geometry, to determine the motion numerically through the use of arithmetic.”

    -Tycho Brahe, On the Most Recent Phenomena of the Aetherial World, 1588


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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #34 on: April 21, 2018, 07:17:02 AM »
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  • *before having died


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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #35 on: April 21, 2018, 01:57:42 PM »
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  • I would add that there is some intrigue to Brahe`s death. It would seem he needed to be gotten out of the way, to make room for a Heliocentrism that necessitated wandering stars to become spherical planets.

    .....Contemporaries of Copernicus such as Danish Astronomer Tycho Brahe famously argued against his heliocentric model, positing that if the Earth revolved in an orbit round the Sun, the change in relative position of the stars after 6 months of orbital motion could not fail to be seen.  Brahe wrote that the stars should seem to separate as we approach and come together as we recede.  In actual fact, however, after millions of miles of supposed orbit around the Sun, not a single inch of parallax could be detected in the stars.  As even Wikipedia notes, “The lack of any observable parallax was considered a fatal flaw in any non-Geocentric theory.”

    Copernicus’ answer to this obvious problem was simple.  He moved the stars so ridiculously far away from the Earth that even after millions of miles of supposed orbit around the Sun, no appreciable parallax could be detected.  Copernicus simply needed to claim that the stars were trillions upon trillions of miles away, so then mathematically-speaking it would indeed be impossible to detect such slight parallax.  Again, contemporaries of Copernicus argued against this convenient correction of his, arguing quite rightly that if the stars were trillions of miles away, then there is no way we could see them!  Back-peddling once again, Copernicus claimed the reason we could still see stars trillions of miles away, was because they were not mere tiny points of translucent light in the night sky, but that stars were in fact gigantic gas balls billions of times larger than our Sun.  So first Copernicus had to move the stars trillions of miles from Earth to explain away lack of parallax, and then he had to make the stars billions of times larger to account for why we should see them at all from such fantastical distances.  Lastly he offered very specific distances and mathematical equations to solidify his theory, claiming, for instance, that he had accurately calculated the Sun’s distance from Earth to be exactly 3,391,200 miles.

    At the turn of the 17th century, Tycho Brahe under the patronage of Emperor Rudolph II began construction of the largest, most state-of-the-art astronomical observatory ever built.  Upon hearing this, German astronomer and Freemason Johannes Kepler was determined to apprentice under Brahe.  Even though Kepler championed Copernicus’s widely disputed heliocentric globe-Earth theory, Brahe begrudgingly accepted Kepler as his apprentice based on his merit as an astute astronomer and mathematician.  Brahe allowed Kepler access to the observatory, but guarded his data and findings from him completely, which frustrated and angered Kepler to the point of eventually culminating in a heated argument between the two of them resulting in Brahe kicking Kepler out.  After much amends and apologizing, a year later Brahe finally forgave Kepler and accepted him back as apprentice.  This time, however, Kepler was not content with his role as mere apprentice and soon proposed and secured a commissioned position on Brahe and Emperor Rudolph’s new project, “the Rudolphine Astronomical Tables.”  Less than a month later, Tycho Brahe mysteriously dropped dead, and Johannes Kepler was given access to all of Brahe’s coveted data, free-reign of the observatory, and become Emperor Rudolph’s new official astronomer.  Abundant circuмstantial evidence and obvious motive have long fed speculation that Kepler actually murdered Brahe.  Brahe was only 54 years old and in fine health when suddenly he became deathly ill and passed away.  His official cause of death was reported as a bladder infection, but subsequent autopsies of his body revealed toxic quantities of mercury present on his moustache hairs which has led many researchers to conclude he was poisoned.  The 2004 book “Heavenly Intrigue” suggested that Kepler had indeed murdered Brahe to gain access to his data.

    Kepler himself never denied this and he actually wrote, “I confess that when Tycho died, I quickly took advantage of the absence, or lack of circuмspection, of the heirs, by taking the observations under my care, or perhaps usurping them.”  And so for the remainder of his life Kepler worked at Brahe’s observatory for Brahe’s employer using Brahe’s data to further his Copernican theories which Brahe had always criticized.  He modified Copernicus’s calculations of celestial motions changing them from perfect circles to irregular ellipses, and even formulated a new updated distance of the Sun from Earth.  While Copernicus had claimed positively the Sun to be 3,391,200 miles from Earth, Kepler assured the astronomical community that his new figure of 12,376,800 miles was the true distance....

    http://www.ericdubay.com/?p=832

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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #36 on: April 21, 2018, 02:03:46 PM »
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  • Excellent work BC. The evil work of heliocentric scientists made available for all to see.

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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #37 on: April 21, 2018, 04:56:00 PM »
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  • In answer to the flat earther's OP question: "Yep, as flat as your head!"


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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #38 on: April 21, 2018, 05:27:11 PM »
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  • In answer to the flat earther's OP question: "Yep, as flat as your head!"
    Typical answer to proof beyond your ability to respond.

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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #39 on: April 21, 2018, 10:21:10 PM »
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  • For what it's worth, Marlelar, Tycho Brahe, the renowned astronomer, after having died and his materials taken by Keppler (who would subsequently save Copernicus' doctrine) stated:

    “There really are not any spheres in the heavens… Those of which have been devised by the experts to save the appearances exist only in the imagination, for the purpose of enabling the mind to conceive the motion which the heavenly bodies trace in their course and, by the aid of geometry, to determine the motion numerically through the use of arithmetic.”

    -Tycho Brahe, On the Most Recent Phenomena of the Aetherial World, 1588
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    There are two n's in Kepler's name but not two p's:
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    You appear to be conflating Brahe's use of the word "spheres" with the shapes of heavenly bodies. That is false.
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    When he referred to "spheres" he was talking about the invisible structures the ancients imagined held the planets in place like as it were layers of an onion.
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    They were concentric zones of force or influence that kept planets moving about in their own region and not crashing into each other or drifting away from the sun.
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    They also imagined what they called "epicycles" which were like little circles hung on the perimeter of these "spheres" and which kept the planets moving in an orderly way in their orbits, and which accounted for the manifest retrograde motions of the planets as seen from earth. Incidentally, later mechanical development would name the innovation of a set of gears keyed to each other, "planetary gears," as a consequence of the concept of epicycles, because planetary gears move in fact like the epicycles were thought to move hundreds of years prior.
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    As further study and mapping improved it eventually became clear that retrograde planetary motion was not in need of any "epicycles" to explain why they moved in precisely the way they did.
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    Those "spheres" which had been devised by the "experts" in that age to explain the appearances of planetary retrograde motion existed only in their imaginations for the purpose of enabling their minds to conceive the retrograde motions which the heavenly bodies trace in their courses and orbits;  and by the aid of geometry, those imaginary spheres would determine the motion numerically through the use of arithmetic. Or so they hoped! Only problem was, no geometry or arithmetic ever got complex enough to account ACCURATELY for all the retrograde gyrations that the planets made!
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    And even today, when geometry, arithmetic and higher mathematics have been pushed beyond the limits (pun) of Brahe's wildest imagination, there is still none that can account for retrograde motion by way of "spheres."
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    If you want to really stretch the meaning of the word, though, you could say that gravitational attraction directly proportional to the relative masses of the concerned bodies and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them has taken the place of Brahe's "geometry and arithmetic."
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    Typical answer to proof beyond your ability to respond.
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    Whenever you'd like to "proof beyond your ability to respond" you're more than welcome to give it a shot.
    But do try to be careful and avoid misspellings like that.
    Or, will your "book" be full of such gibberish?   :jester:

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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #40 on: August 24, 2018, 12:57:02 AM »
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    Whatever happened to happenby's book?
    Is happenby's book not happening?
    Did happenby's book go bye-bye?
    Bye-bye happenby book?
    Book of happenby bye-bye?
    Or, book of happenby-bye?
    Book of happenby, bye!
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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #41 on: August 24, 2018, 01:01:19 AM »
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    The Bible never has any description of the earth as "flat" but the Qur'an does.
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    Maybe you're actually a Mohammedan trying to infiltrate the Church with your heresy.
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    Here's a great example of the flat-earthdom syndrome.
    When you put a simply stated principle down for all to see, the best they can come up with is a misplaced comma:
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    "The Old Testament is much older, than The Koran."                
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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #42 on: August 24, 2018, 10:18:49 AM »
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    Here's a great example of the flat-earthdom syndrome.
    When you put a simply stated principle down for all to see, the best they can come up with is a misplaced comma:
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    "The Old Testament is much older, than The Koran."                
    Yes, the Bible is older than the Koran.  And I have one with a picture of the flat earth as a sketch diagram for Genesis.  

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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #43 on: August 24, 2018, 11:51:57 PM »
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    Most flat-earthdom syndromers use a bible that's far less old than the Koran.
    The KJV (the one they think is the MOST reliable) is only 500 years old now and the Koran is over 1,300 years old.
    So in their case, the Koran is much older than the bible.
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    I have one with a picture of the flat earth as a sketch diagram for Genesis.
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    I know, I know. I met a man who was absolutely certain that his version of the bible contained the NUMBERS for each of the 10 Commandments, right there on the page. I questioned him several times about that. He kept telling me: that's right, I have a bible that shows where each of the 10 Commandments begins on the page, and it is exactly the way the Protestants teach, with No. 2 starting with, Thou shalt not make unto thyself any graven image..."
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    I asked him if he would make a Xerox copy of those pages and send them to me in the mail. He agreed to do so. I gave him my address, and he gave me his. I asked him if he needed a postage stamp or an envelope, or a dollar or two for his trouble, to which he assured me that it would be fine, he would not need anything, and he would send me the Xeroxes. Okay, fine. So then about two weeks after I returned home from Hamilton, Canada (where I met him), there was his letter in the snail mail.
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    I opened it up, eagerly, and found two Xerox pages inside, copies of two pages from a KJV bible. And guess where the numbers were that identified each of the 10 Commandments?  I couldn't believe it. But there they were: he had somehow found a bible that someone had drawn in the margin with pencil, the Arabic numerals from 1 to 10.
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    So whenever someone tells me that they have some new information in their bible, especially when it's "a sketch" I know what to expect. Hey, the sketch diagram they still publish in biology books was drawn by a child and copied by Charles Darwin.
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    Whatever happened to happenby's book? 
    Is happenby's book not happening? 
    Did happenby's book go bye-bye?
    Bye-bye happenby book?
    Book of happenby: Bye!
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    Re: Are other planets flat?
    « Reply #44 on: August 25, 2018, 12:45:09 PM »
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    Most flat-earthdom syndromers use a bible that's far less old than the Koran.
    The KJV (the one they think is the MOST reliable) is only 500 years old now and the Koran is over 1,300 years old.
    So in their case, the Koran is much older than the bible.
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    I know, I know. I met a man who was absolutely certain that his version of the bible contained the NUMBERS for each of the 10 Commandments, right there on the page. I questioned him several times about that. He kept telling me: that's right, I have a bible that shows where each of the 10 Commandments begins on the page, and it is exactly the way the Protestants teach, with No. 2 starting with, Thou shalt not make unto thyself any graven image..."
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    I asked him if he would make a Xerox copy of those pages and send them to me in the mail. He agreed to do so. I gave him my address, and he gave me his. I asked him if he needed a postage stamp or an envelope, or a dollar or two for his trouble, to which he assured me that it would be fine, he would not need anything, and he would send me the Xeroxes. Okay, fine. So then about two weeks after I returned home from Hamilton, Canada (where I met him), there was his letter in the snail mail.
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    I opened it up, eagerly, and found two Xerox pages inside, copies of two pages from a KJV bible. And guess where the numbers were that identified each of the 10 Commandments?  I couldn't believe it. But there they were: he had somehow found a bible that someone had drawn in the margin with pencil, the Arabic numerals from 1 to 10.
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    So whenever someone tells me that they have some new information in their bible, especially when it's "a sketch" I know what to expect. Hey, the sketch diagram they still publish in biology books was drawn by a child and copied by Charles Darwin.
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    Whatever happened to happenby's book?
    Is happenby's book not happening?
    Did happenby's book go bye-bye?
    Bye-bye happenby book?
    Book of happenby: Bye!
    ;D