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Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
« on: April 26, 2024, 02:20:47 PM »
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  • They're actually putting money and resources into fighting Flat Earth.

    I thought it was a ridiculous theory? Do they put effort into making videos that prove that Elvis isn't still alive? This doofus even believes in NASA and the Moon landings. Now I know he's a shill.

    Here are my comments on the video in question:


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    Why the panic about Flat Earth? If it's so ridiculous, why not just ignore it? Why all the effort and propaganda to defend belief in Globe Earth? Know why I'm suspicious? This man poisoned the well multiple times with the ridiculous strawman "disk floating in outer space" picture, which 0 "flat earthers" believe. Now I KNOW the earth is flat. Thank you, Dr. Faulkner. His book even uses this image as the front cover! He is obviously not interested in the Truth.

    Intellectually dishonest.

    No, I'm not going to post it. It was total trash. And no, not just because it disagreed with me. It was garbage. I'm not going to spread their propaganda on my dime. HOWEVER, if Ladislaus wants to post it along with a mocking rebuttal of all points -- HE has my permission in advance to do so.

    P.S. I agree with Answers in Genesis about Creation and ... Genesis. That's about it. They're protestants and that's a HUGE achilles heel to grasping the truth. They think everything has to be spelled out in Scripture. They are fundamentally flawed and hobble themselves at the starting gate, in the race to find the Truth about everything. Like going into a battle with both hands tied behind your back. How can you hope to win?
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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #1 on: April 26, 2024, 03:46:30 PM »
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  • There's 2 simple questions that globe earthers need to answer:

    1.  How does the firmament work on a globe earth?  (Remember:  We must believe in the firmament as described in Scripture, in a literal sense).

    2.  Why are there so many videos which clearly prove the lack of curvature?
    We're not talking a few hundred feet being wrong, but (in some cases) miles wrong.
    Either admit a) that NASA's/Big-Science's calculations about the size of the globe are wrong....or....b) the earth isn't a globe.  It's either or.


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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #2 on: April 26, 2024, 05:37:20 PM »
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  • I haven't had time to look at this, but, if you recall, Kolbe Center has also been big into attacking FE.  Not only do they attack it in almost every new video they make, but they bankrolled Dr. Sungenis to write the "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong" book.  I've gone into why I believe Dr. Sungenis and Kolbe felt the need to attack FE, and I'm sure there's some overlap regarding their reasons/motivation, but I'll have to look into it some more.

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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #3 on: April 26, 2024, 05:40:33 PM »
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  • I thought it was a ridiculous theory? Do they put effort into making videos that prove that Elvis isn't still alive? This doofus even believes in NASA and the Moon landings. Now I know he's a shill.

    Right.  When you see such a concerted effort to attack FE, where NASA, Joogle/Jєωtube, and Kolbe Center / Answers in Geneis have joined in full attack mode against FE, that alone says something about it.  If FE didn't both 1) have solid and compelling evidence for it and 2) matter to people, you wouldn't see this kind of attack and even censorship about the subject.

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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #4 on: April 26, 2024, 05:45:00 PM »
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  • 2.  Why are there so many videos which clearly prove the lack of curvature?

    There are some who basically claim that the videos are all faked ... despite that many videos and photographs have been made by respected non-FE groups, including the "world record long distance" photographs that defy accepted globe math.  But, most of the time, people just hurl the word "refraction" at the problem and apply their confirmation bias into accepting this as a valid rebuttal to all the "see too far" evidence.  It's not and has been thoroughly debunked in a number of experiments.  But people will believe what they want to believe.  Many have been SO brainwashed from practically infancy about the current cosmology that they can't let go of it, from seeing solar system mobiles above their crib, to having the old styrofoam-ball-solar-system be practically the first science project they do in elementary school, to walking in every day to see a globe on the teacher's desk.  All that has a mighy powerful psychological conditioning effect that is very difficult to break from.  It's almost like globe believers need the techniques of some of the "cult deprogrammers" to break their minds free.


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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #5 on: April 26, 2024, 07:04:23 PM »
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  • I am not very knowledgeable about Physics, but the people who claim that it is all due to refraction should show some calculations. 

    Refraction is a well-know phenomenom and it is perfectly possible to calculate it, as far as I know.

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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #6 on: April 26, 2024, 07:22:40 PM »
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  • You have a point, but it's a 2 way street as in, you can try to find the equations. If you believe something, try to prove it wrong, so you can strengthen what you know to be true. I remember Fr. Hess saying that the pope doesn't need to prove he's pope, we need to prove he's not pope. I'd give you all the equations, but math is not my strength, and I'd be doing the same thing you would: looking up the equations and trying to make sense of them.
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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #7 on: April 26, 2024, 09:48:49 PM »
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  • It's comical.

    Atheist scientists are lying and/or wrong about the origin of the universe, God, religion, the Bible, the nature of Man, the existence of aliens, possibility of time travel or sentient AI, and countless other fundamental errors.

    And they've been caught lying more times than I can count. And their lies and errors *couldn't get* larger or more fundamental: existence of "dark matter", the Theory of Relativity, etc.

    "But by gum, they are telling the honest truth about the shape of the earth and "outer space"! It's the Bible that's being poetic, wrong, etc."

    How can one BE so dense? Stockholm syndrome much? It's like a battered wife deceiving herself to justify her abuser. It's pathological.

    THESE SAME SCIENTISTS -- if you trust them -- have a LOT MORE they expect you to believe. Why do you stop short? What justification have you?

    I'll tell you what though: you can't serve two masters. Eventually you're going to cut the rope and cast off atheistic science completely -- OR religion. The two can't be served long-term. Our Lord said so, not me.
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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #8 on: April 27, 2024, 09:07:09 AM »
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  • It's comical.

    Atheist scientists are lying and/or wrong about the origin of the universe, God, religion, the Bible, the nature of Man, the existence of aliens, possibility of time travel or sentient AI, and countless other fundamental errors.

    And they've been caught lying more times than I can count. And their lies and errors *couldn't get* larger or more fundamental: existence of "dark matter", the Theory of Relativity, etc.

    "But by gum, they are telling the honest truth about the shape of the earth and "outer space"! It's the Bible that's being poetic, wrong, etc."

    Another great point.  Dr. Sungenis spent a large portion of his "Flat Earth, Flat Wrong" book defending NASA, even though NASA considers his geocentrism to be utterly absurd and him to be a crazed lunatic.  Sungenis admitted that NASA lied one time, though he minimized it as a "foible".  You could write volumes about NASA lying and fraud that could exceed the output of Dr. Sungenis' own considerable output over the years.  Then, he engaged in a logical fallacy by denouncing the FEs for holding the position (a strawman) that if NASA lied about one thing, they lie about everything.  Nobody says that.  I'm sure they sometimes tell the truth ... when they have no reason not to.  What he misses is that there's a law of evidence, applied correctly in courts known as falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, "false in one thing, false in all things".  What this means is that once a witness has been caught lying about one thing, the entire rest of his testimony loses credibility.  Sure, he might be telling the truth, but, since we know that he has no problem with lying, he also might not be telling the truth with other stuff.  As a result, none of what he says can be used as proof or evidence ... without independent verification.  So because NASA has a demonstrable track record for lying (way beyond the single "foible" that Sungenis concedes), we have no idea whether they're lying about any given thing, and what they tell us is not acceptable as proof ... not unless you already believe the earth is a globe and accepted it as proof due to confirmation bias.  If NASA had the temerity to lie about the moon landings, and rovers on Mars, they could be lying about almost anything.

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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #9 on: April 27, 2024, 08:11:31 PM »
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  • NASA Freemasonic roots exposed by Eric Dubay

    https://ericdubay.wordpress.com/2018/07/11/nasa-and-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ/

    In my book “Famous Freemasons Exposed” I showed how Nicolas Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, and Isaac Newton, the four fore-fathers of the globalist heliocentric doctrine, all posed for Masonic portraits highlighting various symbols and hand-signs denoting their affiliation with the brotherhood.  Galileo poses on a Masonic checkerboard floor, Kepler with the “hidden hand” sign, and all four of them pose with a Masonic compass and globe while flashing the Masonic “M” hand-sign.  “Sir” Isaac Newton was even knighted by Queen Anne at Trinity College’s Masonic Masters Lodge.
    An inordinate number of NASA astronauts, the current propagators of the globalist heliocentric doctrine, are/were admitted Freemasons as well.  John Glenn, two-time US senator and one of NASA’s first astronauts is a known Mason.  Buzz Aldrin Jr., the second man to lie about walking on the moon is an admitted, ring-wearing, hand-sign flashing 33rd degree Mason from Montclair Lodge No. 144 in New Jersey.  Edgar Mitchell, another supposed moon-walker aboard Apollo 14 is an Order of Demolay Mason at Artesta Lodge No. 29 in New Mexico.  James Irwin of Apollo 15, the last man to lie about walking on the moon, was a Tejon Lodge No. 104 member in Colorado Springs.  Donn Eisele on Apollo 7 was a member of the Luther B. Turner Lodge No. 732 in Ohio.  Gordon Cooper aboard Mercury 9 and Gemini 5 was a Master Mason in Carbondale Lodge No. 82 in Colorado.  Virgil Grissom on Apollo 1 and 15, Mercury 5 and Gemini 3 was a Master Mason from Mitchell Lodge No. 228 in Indiana.  Walter Schirra Jr. on Apollo 7, Sigma 7, Gemini 6 and Mercury 8 was a 33rd degree Mason at Canaveral Lodge No. 339 in Florida.  Thomas Stafford on Apollo 10 and 18, Gemini 7 and 9 is a Mason at Western Star Lodge No. 138 in Oklahoma.  Paul Weitz on Skylab 2 and Challenger is from Lawrence Lodge No. 708 in Pennsylvania.
    NASA astronauts Neil Armstrong, Allen Sheppard, William Pogue, Vance Brand, and Anthony England all had fathers who were Freemasons too! The amount of astronauts known to be Freemasons or from Freemasonic families is astonishing.  It is likely that more astronauts and people of key importance in NASA are affiliated with the brotherhood as well, but not so open about their membership.  For there to be this many Masons, members of the world’s largest and oldest secret society, involved with the promotion and propagation of this globalist heliocentric doctrine from its outset to today should raise some serious suspicion!
    C. Fred Kleinknecht, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ of the Southern Jurisdiction.  It was his reward for pulling it off!  All of the first astronauts were Freemasons.  There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong supposedly on the moon’s surface in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin.”  -William Cooper
    NASA’s logo is a giant red forked serpent’s tongue overlaying the starry heavens.  Serpents, and specifically their forked tongues, have long been associated with lying, deceit, cleverness, two-facedness, manipulation, and with Satan, the Devil.  Why would the National Aeronautics and Space Administration choose this as their official logo?
    The United Nations, the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr government headquarters, built on land donated by 33rd degree Freemason John D. Rockefeller, is represented by a logo/flag which clearly depicts a Flat Earth divided into 33 sections!  There are 33 official degrees of Scottish-Rite Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, and the UN flag features a Flat-Earth divided into exactly 33 sections!  Why would the United Nations founders choose a logo/flag of a Flat-Earth map divided into 33 sections?  How is it that C. Fred Kleinknecht, the head of NASA, retired and immediately became the head of the 33rd degree of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?  How is it that all the fore-fathers of the ball-Earth theory and so many NASA astronauts are all Freemasons!?

    The Masons’ esoteric religion, the very basis of their symbols and rituals, is Sun-worship.  From their first day in the lodge, Masonic initiates learn that Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is all about light, enlightenment, illumination (hence, the “Illuminati) and hence worship of the Sun as the giver of light.  Masonic halls are all purposely constructed to correspond with the motions of the Sun.  They are always situated intentionally facing East towards the Sun, with the “Worshipful Master” sitting in the far East on a throne engraved with a picture of the Sun.  The high festival of the Masons is on Christian’s “St. John’s Day,” or the 24th of June, otherwise known as “midsummer day” when the Sun arrives at its annual highest elevation, the summer solstice.  Regarding the Masonic “Rite of Circuмambulation,” 33rd degree Freemasonic historian Albert Mackey says, “In Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ people always walked three times round the alter while singing a sacred hymn.  In making this procession, great care was taken to move an imitation of the course of the Sun.  This Rite of Circuмambulation undoubtedly refers to the doctrine of sun-worship.”

    Masonry is derived and is the remains of the religion of the ancient Druids; who, like the magi of Persia and the priests of Heliopolis in Egypt, were priests of the Sun.  They paid worship to this great luminary, as the great visible agent of a great invisible first cause.  The Christian religion and Masonry have one and the same common origin: both are derived from the worship of the Sun.  The difference between their origin is, that the Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.  In Masonry many of the ceremonies of the Druids are preserved in their original state, at least without any parody.  With them the Sun is still the Sun; and his image in the form of the Sun is the great emblematical ornament of Masonic lodges and Masonic dresses.  It is the central figure on their aprons, and they wear it also pendant on the breast of their lodges, and in their processions … The Sun, as the great visible agent of the Creator, was the visible object of the adoration of the Druids; all their religious rites and ceremonies had reference to the apparent progress of the sun through the twelve signs of the zodiac, and his influence upon the earth.  The Masons adopt the same practices.  The roof of their temples or lodges is ornamented with a sun, and the floor is a representation of the variegated face of the earth either by carpeting or mosaic work … The emblematical meaning of the Sun is well known to the enlightened and inquisitive Freemason; and as the real Sun is situated in the center of the universe, so the emblematical Sun is the center of real Masonry … only the scientific Freemason knows the reason why the Sun is placed in the center of this beautiful hall.”  -Thomas Paine, “Origin of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ”
     

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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #10 on: April 27, 2024, 08:34:29 PM »
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  • Reading all of this, I got curious as to whether any of the Apollo astronauts, who are said to have walked on the moon, were Catholic. 

    Eugene Cernan was raised Catholic, but fell away from the Faith at some point, and his funeral was in the Episcopal sect.

    Just something to consider.


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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #11 on: April 27, 2024, 11:14:55 PM »
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  • And don't forget how suspicious the "Apollo 11" astronauts acted after the event. Have you seen that footage? I've seen it many times. They did NOT have the bearing of men who had made a historic journey to the Moon. More like the cat who ate the canary. More like men who were being forced to lie big, and their conscience was bothering them.
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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #12 on: April 28, 2024, 06:50:28 PM »
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  • It's not just "Answers in Genesis" that inexplicably feels compelled to waste time "debunking" flat earth.

    I saw this in my news feed, just ONE DAY after the AiG hitpiece was released.

    WHAT are they all so afraid of?
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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #13 on: April 28, 2024, 06:58:25 PM »
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  • It's not just "Answers in Genesis" that inexplicably feels compelled to waste time "debunking" flat earth.

    I saw this in my news feed, just ONE DAY after the AiG hitpiece was released.

    WHAT are they all so afraid of?

    Indeed, the fact that Jєωgle/Jєωtube are so dead set on censoring FE, and that there's an all-out assault on it from every direction means, at the very least, that there's something to it, that there are some very compelling reasons in favor of FE.  If it were just some crackpot nonsense, they wouldn't feel the need to go after it so hard, and it would have just withered away on the vine like many crackpot conspiracy theories do.

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    Re: Answers in Genesis full panic mode about Flat Earth
    « Reply #14 on: April 29, 2024, 06:21:35 AM »
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  • What do you call a normal, educated person who honestly considers the evidence for the Flat Earth claims?

    A Flat Earther.

    One point that needs to be beaten into everyone's head:

    99.99% of Flat Earthers are not morons, retarded, or raised in a mud hut by retarded parents, totally isolated from the world. No, they are normal people like YOU. Yes, YOU, reading this. They went to public school, college, many work white collar and professional jobs. They watched all the same TV and movies you did. They got the same education (roughly) that you did.

    But at some point, they were willing to stop and objectively consider the evidence, and that led them to conclude that the earth is not a globe.

    Keep in mind also that deciding the earth is flat instead of a globe isn't a matter of flipping a coin, or "six of one, half a dozen of the other". Flat-earther is about the only insult left in 2024, aside from "αnтι-ѕємιтє" and "racist".

    Who in their RIGHT MIND would want to BE a "flat earther"? Certainly not how I answered the question "What do you want to be when you grow up?"

    But truth is truth. And no other solution makes sense of all the facts that we know.
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