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Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2022, 06:04:16 PM »
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  • Dubay's funny but we don't say or imply that Australia's upside down and Connecticut's right side up because the earth's a sphere. All the yachting experience around the Earth is right side up in whatever hemisphere and all the keels point down to the collective center.


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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #17 on: October 20, 2022, 06:05:18 PM »
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  • Thx D.L.


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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #18 on: October 20, 2022, 06:08:25 PM »
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  • ... of course, all aviation navigation's based on a fixed-Earth assumption and it works because the Earth's not moving.

    The Sun orbits the Earth just like the Bible says and all the Freemasons and Jews at NASA and Blackrock should be burned at the stake. Galileo got off too lucky ...



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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #19 on: October 20, 2022, 06:13:39 PM »
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  • ... of course, all aviation navigation's based on a fixed-Earth assumption and it works because the Earth's not moving.

    The Sun orbits the Earth just like the Bible says and all the Freemasons and Jєωs at NASA and Blackrock should be burned at the stake. Galileo got off too lucky ...

    THIS^^^


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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #20 on: October 20, 2022, 06:15:43 PM »
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  • Dubay's funny but we don't say or imply that Australia's upside down and Connecticut's right side up because the earth's a sphere. All the yachting experience around the Earth is right side up in whatever hemisphere and all the keels point down to the collective center.

    What he's trying to say that our perception of it is differen from the assertion and that we should trust our perception.

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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #21 on: October 20, 2022, 06:39:50 PM »
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  • In APPENDIX A. of Ptolemy: Syntaxis Mathematica (Almagest), there is a brief explanation that includes the true notion that the distinction between up and down, as well as lateral and vertical, in a true sphere is arbitrary. These distinctions happen later by circuмstance or label (name). As Don Quixote said, "I am I and my circuмstances. If not for them then not for me." What's not arbitrary is the fundamental relation between the surface and the center.

    Dr. Sungenis makes a mistake giving credit to the theory of gravity. It can be proved with a golf ball or yo-yo that gravity's not any kind of lateral force. Since it's not a lateral force, it's not a vertical one either, since "pure" space is spherical, and it's not the reason heavy objects fall down around the surface of the Earth, and come to rest upon it, as the Earth itself is always at rest before them. Galileo's law of falling bodies is false and so are Newton's theories about the Moon, etc.

    The gradual acceptance of the Copernican theory of the universe, Dorothy Stimson
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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #22 on: October 20, 2022, 10:10:26 PM »
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  • In APPENDIX A. of Ptolemy: Syntaxis Mathematica (Almagest), there is a brief explanation that includes the true notion that the distinction between up and down, as well as lateral and vertical, in a true sphere is arbitrary. 

    Ptolemy appears to be adding a little spin to things. In the real world, up is just up. And down is just down. Of course, not on the globe, which supports arbitrary concepts of place, position, reality, or in other words, relativism. Globers will admit that they think the definitions of words like lateral, vertical, horizontal, curve, straight, level, east, west, up and down are not actually true. That kind of thinking naturally has an effect on one's relationship with truth and it can't be good.    


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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #23 on: October 20, 2022, 10:16:15 PM »
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  • You fly east to go from Tokyo to Moscow, Moscow to London, London to New York, New York to LA, and LA to Tokyo.

    Just curious: how do Flat Earthers explain that?
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #24 on: October 20, 2022, 10:21:08 PM »
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  • You fly east to go from Tokyo to Moscow, Moscow to London, London to New York, New York to LA, and LA to Tokyo.

    Just curious: how do Flat Earthers explain that?
    You can fly around a circle as easily as you can go around the circuмference of a ball.  

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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #25 on: October 21, 2022, 03:31:54 AM »
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  • You fly east to go from Tokyo to Moscow, Moscow to London, London to New York, New York to LA, and LA to Tokyo.

    Just curious: how do Flat Earthers explain that?
    If you thought flight paths support a fruit-shaped Earth think again.

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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #26 on: October 21, 2022, 04:08:36 AM »
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  • I’ve repeated this on other FE threads, you need to have an accurate model that actually works. The inconsistencies and aberrations in the FE theory pale in comparison to any problems in the GE model. 
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #27 on: October 21, 2022, 06:07:50 AM »
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  • I’ve repeated this on other FE threads, you need to have an accurate model that actually works. The inconsistencies and aberrations in the FE theory pale in comparison to any problems in the GE model.

    That's simply untrue.  I'd put money on it that you're not acquainted enough with the FE model to be qualified to make this claim and that you're just saying this because you're attached to the globe model.

    And that is absolutely false that a perfect model is necessary to establish the basic principles, that there is no curvature of the earth.  This curvature has never been measured or established, and we have thousands of experiments out there that falsify curvature.  So there's an abundance of evidence that there is no curvature.  This does not require there to be a perfect FE model.  Scientists work with hypothetical models all the time.  In fact, 90% of their junk is nothing more than "theory".  They've been working with Big Bang for decades and keep having to make stuff up (like this hyperinflation phase and dark matter) to prevent it from being falsified.

    Thousands of experiments that defy globe math cannot be explained by the deus ex machina of "refraction" that is rolled out to explain all of it.  To refute FE, the globers would have to come up with some explanation for light curving around the globe of the planet.  Perhaps they can claim that it's some kind of electromagnetic phenomenon that consistently bends light perfectly around the globe.  But the "refraction" explanation is utter hogwash and has been falsfiied by 2-way laser experiments.

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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #28 on: October 21, 2022, 06:45:13 AM »
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  • That's simply untrue.  I'd put money on it that you're not acquainted enough with the FE model to be qualified to make this claim and that you're just saying this because you're attached to the globe model.

    And that is absolutely false that a perfect model is necessary to establish the basic principles, that there is no curvature of the earth.  This curvature has never been measured or established, and we have thousands of experiments out there that falsify curvature.  So there's an abundance of evidence that there is no curvature.  This does not require there to be a perfect FE model.  Scientists work with hypothetical models all the time.  In fact, 90% of their junk is nothing more than "theory".  They've been working with Big Bang for decades and keep having to make stuff up (like this hyperinflation phase and dark matter) to prevent it from being falsified.

    Thousands of experiments that defy globe math cannot be explained by the deus ex machina of "refraction" that is rolled out to explain all of it.  To refute FE, the globers would have to come up with some explanation for light curving around the globe of the planet.  Perhaps they can claim that it's some kind of electromagnetic phenomenon that consistently bends light perfectly around the globe.  But the "refraction" explanation is utter hogwash and has been falsfiied by 2-way laser experiments.


    Sorry Lad, I really don’t want to be argumentative, but you wrote: “This does not require there to be a perfect FE model.  Scientists work with hypothetical models all the time.”

    Please post any model that remotely makes sense. In all honesty every model that has been posted on Cathinfo has been chimerical. They don’t work and don’t make sense. The distances are without question absolutely impossible and that alone makes it a failure. Give me a realistic model and I will be more than willing to evaluate it. As I’ve said in the past, I believe in geocentrism and am perfectly willing to accept an alternative theory.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Answering the Flat Earthers - Robert Sungenis Live | Wed, Oct. 19 2022
    « Reply #29 on: October 21, 2022, 07:29:47 AM »
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  • Sorry Lad, I really don’t want to be argumentative, but you wrote: “This does not require there to be a perfect FE model.  Scientists work with hypothetical models all the time.”

    Please post any model that remotely makes sense. In all honesty every model that has been posted on Cathinfo has been chimerical. They don’t work and don’t make sense. The distances are without question absolutely impossible and that alone makes it a failure. Give me a realistic model and I will be more than willing to evaluate it. As I’ve said in the past, I believe in geocentrism and am perfectly willing to accept an alternative theory.
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    I agree. There is no such thing as a FE model at all. All we have is a vague image showing the continents and their position relative to each other. But no flat earther has ever attempted, as far as I know, to draw a map actually drawn to scale of what they claim the earth to be, for the simple reason that such a map is impossible as it would not reflect the known distances between any two points on this earth.

    This is what a map looks like. If there is any FE map of the earth in a format even remotely resembling this, and drawn to scale, I want to see it immediately.