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Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2017, 07:20:58 PM »
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    Nearly two centuries later, however, the weight of scientific evidence was so overwhelming that the College of Cardinals finally reversed itself and allowed the teaching of heliocentrism. Still, it would take another 170 years, until 1992, for a pope – in this case, John Paul II – to officially concede that, yes, the Earth isn't stationary in the heavens. 















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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #16 on: September 22, 2017, 07:22:29 PM »
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  • More Ibranyiesque rubbish.



    Jєωgle / Goolag is not your friend, and neither is reason at this stage.
    I still don't know who that is, since you don't tell.
    Ok, you can use Scroogle like Michael Hoffman recommends.


    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #17 on: September 22, 2017, 07:23:23 PM »
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  • "source: various" and dead linkage.

    Classic.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #18 on: September 22, 2017, 07:50:28 PM »
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  • You like the LA Times?

    http://articles.latimes.com/1992-11-01/news/mn-1827_1_galileo-galilei




    Pope John Paul II himself turned up Saturday for a meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences to help set the record straight on behalf of the 17th-Century Italian mathematician, astronomer and physicist who was the first man to use a telescope and who is remembered as one of history's greatest scientists.
    "The underlying problems of this case concern both the nature of science and the message of faith," the Pope noted. "One day we may find ourselves in a similar situation, which will require both sides to have an informed awareness of the field and of the limits of their own competencies."
    Thirteen years after he appointed it, a commission of historic, scientific and theological inquiry brought the Pope a "not guilty" finding for Galileo, who, at age 69 in 1633, was forced to repent by the Roman Inquisition and spent the last eight years of his life under house arrest.
    The commission found that Galileo's clerical judges acted in good faith but rejected his theories because they were "incapable of dissociating faith from an age-old cosmology"--the biblical vision of the Earth as the center of the universe. "God fixed the Earth upon its foundation, not to be moved forever," says one Bible verse contradicted by Galileo's pioneering notion that the Earth spins daily on its axis and makes an annual journey around the sun.
    Unable to comprehend a non-literal reading of Scripture, according to the commission, the judges feared that if Galileo's ideas were taught, they would undermine Catholic tradition at a time when it was under attack by Protestant reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin.
    "This subjective error of judgment, so clear to us today, led them to a disciplinary measure from which Galileo 'had much to suffer.' These mistakes must be frankly recognized, as you, Holy Father, have requested," Cardinal Paul Poupard, the commission chairman, told the Pope.

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #19 on: September 22, 2017, 07:52:56 PM »
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  • "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #20 on: September 22, 2017, 08:05:11 PM »
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  • Be nice to know when we had a vacant seat due to a heretic on it before Pius XII, so as to avoid potential hell traps for the unwary.

    Sep. 11, 1822

    I'm not sedevacantist.

    1. You believe that the see at least was vacant due to this "heresy.", no?
    2. Said "heretic" was neither condemned, denounced, nor claimed to be deposed consequently, no?
    3. You have claimed that the Church adopted alleged heresy, no?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #21 on: September 22, 2017, 09:04:54 PM »
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  • 3. You have claimed that the Church adopted alleged heresy, no?
    Do you dispute that the Church has adopted heliocentrism? Did you not go to a Catholic college? Did you not read JPII's formal declaration?
    There is no disputing that the Church adopted heliocentrism.

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #22 on: September 22, 2017, 09:16:25 PM »
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  • Do you dispute that the Church has adopted heliocentrism? Did you not go to a Catholic college? Did you not read JPII's formal declaration?
    There is no disputing that the Church adopted heliocentrism.
    1. Not a good sign that you will not answer direct, simple, "y/n" questions.
    2. Let's try again, any response other than a literal, verbatim "yes" being taken as a "no".

    Do you profess to hold to the Catholic faith?

    Now, I'll give you that surely not owed.

    1. There is no need to dispute that which has not been shown clearly to be; it's a bit foolish to be candid, somewhat like shooting at the Closet Monster.
    2. JPII is only relevent to the faith in a similar fashion as Martin Lucifer.
    3. "There is no disputing..." see "1"

    Oh, not that it's particularly relevant, but I barely cleared public school; how about you?
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #23 on: September 22, 2017, 09:23:28 PM »
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  • 1. Not a good sign that you will not answer direct, simple, "y/n" questions.
    2. Let's try again, any response other than a literal, verbatim "yes" being taken as a "no".

    Do you profess to hold to the Catholic faith?

    Now, I'll give you that surely not owed.

    1. There is no need to dispute that which has not been shown clearly to be; it's a bit foolish to be candid, somewhat like shooting at the Closet Monster. What I question is this very thing, whether THE Church did as you say.
    2. JPII is only relevent to the faith in a similar fashion as Martin Lucifer.
    3. "There is no disputing..." see "1"

    Oh, not that it's particularly relevant, but I barely cleared public school; how about you?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #24 on: September 22, 2017, 09:32:46 PM »
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  • Oh, not that it's particularly relevant, but I barely cleared public school; how about you?
    Don't feel alone..... I can't really say I barely cleared, I think they just got sick of me...

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #25 on: September 22, 2017, 09:42:14 PM »
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  • Don't feel alone..... I can't really say I barely cleared, I think they just got sick of me...
    "The nail that sticks out, gets hammered"

    Alleged Japanes proverb
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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #26 on: September 22, 2017, 10:04:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Tradplorable on Today at 07:11:17 PM

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    1. You believe that the see at least was vacant due to this "heresy.", no?
    2. Said "heretic" was neither condemned, denounced, nor claimed to be deposed consequently, no?
    3. You have claimed that the Church adopted alleged heresy, no?


    This is Recognize and Resist's family secret (not to insult the healthy members of the R & R family - every family's got one, Sedes, NO, etc.) . . . Uncle Screwy comes out of the closet.  
    As near as I can tell, this is someone who both claims to be Catholic, and that "the Church" defected long ago, but it's still "The Church", and "Her popes" are still somehow Vicars of God Incarnate instead of "the other guy"

    This Flat Earth crap is pernicious, seeming "eccentric" but oh so poisonous; look at these people.

    WTFudge man?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #27 on: September 23, 2017, 12:13:50 AM »
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  • You like the LA Times?

    http://articles.latimes.com/1992-11-01/news/mn-1827_1_galileo-galilei




    Pope John Paul II himself turned up Saturday for a meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences to help set the record straight on behalf of the 17th-Century Italian mathematician, astronomer and physicist who was the first man to use a telescope and who is remembered as one of history's greatest scientists.
    "The underlying problems of this case concern both the nature of science and the message of faith," the Pope noted. "One day we may find ourselves in a similar situation, which will require both sides to have an informed awareness of the field and of the limits of their own competencies."
    Thirteen years after he appointed it, a commission of historic, scientific and theological inquiry brought the Pope a "not guilty" finding for Galileo, who, at age 69 in 1633, was forced to repent by the Roman Inquisition and spent the last eight years of his life under house arrest.
    The commission found that Galileo's clerical judges acted in good faith but rejected his theories because they were "incapable of dissociating faith from an age-old cosmology"--the biblical vision of the Earth as the center of the universe. "God fixed the Earth upon its foundation, not to be moved forever," says one Bible verse contradicted by Galileo's pioneering notion that the Earth spins daily on its axis and makes an annual journey around the sun.
    Unable to comprehend a non-literal reading of Scripture, according to the commission, the judges feared that if Galileo's ideas were taught, they would undermine Catholic tradition at a time when it was under attack by Protestant reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin.
    "This subjective error of judgment, so clear to us today, led them to a disciplinary measure from which Galileo 'had much to suffer.' These mistakes must be frankly recognized, as you, Holy Father, have requested," Cardinal Paul Poupard, the commission chairman, told the Pope.

    I guess the globe-earthers here have something in common with JP2 the Koran kisser. No doubt they agree with him in regards to Galileo.

    Here's one quote from the above article that I find interesting:

    "The commission found that Galileo's clerical judges acted in good faith but rejected his theories because they were  "incapable of dissociating faith from the age-of cosmology" - the biblical vision of the earth as the center of the universe."

    Apparently Galileo's clerical judges were too traditional! How dare they be incapable of seeing the situation from a non-traditional point of view!

    Another interesting quote:

    "Unable to comprehend a non-literal reading of scripture [...].."

    Gee...where have we heard that before...."unable to comprehend a non-literal meaning of scripture".....let's see...I know....we've heard that from the Modernists. They hate literal readings of scripture. Especially Pope Francis.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #28 on: September 23, 2017, 12:43:20 AM »
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  • I guess the globe-earthers here have something in common with JP2 the Koran kisser. No doubt they agree with him in regards to Galileo.

    Here's one quote from the above article that I find interesting:

    "The commission found that Galileo's clerical judges acted in good faith but rejected his theories because they were  "incapable of dissociating faith from the age-of cosmology" - the biblical vision of the earth as the center of the universe."

    Apparently Galileo's clerical judges were too traditional! How dare they be incapable of seeing the situation from a non-traditional point of view!

    Another interesting quote:

    "Unable to comprehend a non-literal reading of scripture [...].."

    Gee...where have we heard that before...."unable to comprehend a non-literal meaning of scripture".....let's see...I know....we've heard that from the Modernists. They hate literal readings of scripture. Especially Pope Francis.
    No doubt...
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: An ANTI-Flat Earth Protestant
    « Reply #29 on: September 23, 2017, 08:31:38 AM »
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  • "Unable to comprehend a non-literal reading of scripture [...].."

    Gee...where have we heard that before...."unable to comprehend a non-literal meaning of scripture".....let's see...I know....we've heard that from the Modernists. They hate literal readings of scripture. Especially Pope Francis.
    Yes, this is what the globalists here at CathInfo keep telling us.