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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #1185 on: February 14, 2018, 05:31:04 PM »
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  • So Neil has finally cracked.  I was wondering how long it would take.
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    Your whole agenda is to drive others crazy? And now you think you've achieved your goal? Interesting. Happy Ash Wednesday.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1186 on: February 14, 2018, 05:32:27 PM »
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  • Actually Neil there's little debate amongst scholars of ancient literature that The Bible depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth, with a hard or "firm" dome, with relatively small celestial objects like The Stars and The Sun orbiting it in what Ancient Hebrews called, "The Firmament."  

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    Nonsense.
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    The Church teaches that "a firmament" in Gen. 1:6 is the whole space between the earth and the furthest stars.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1187 on: February 14, 2018, 05:36:52 PM »
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  • If anyone has read about the difficulties of translating a globe map to a flat one, they'd know instantly that the FAAs explanation for using flat earth software is garbage.
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    We should all be glad someone like you isn't in charge of our military missile system.
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    Maybe that idiot in Hawaii that pushed the wrong button twice was a flat-earther.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1188 on: February 15, 2018, 08:14:01 AM »
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    Your whole agenda is to drive others crazy? And now you think you've achieved your goal? Interesting. Happy Ash Wednesday.

    How has making an observation become an "agenda"?  I'm looking for the truth.  I am as yet undecided about this issue.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1189 on: February 15, 2018, 11:12:56 PM »
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  • I am new to the forum, but I truly believe in a geocentric earth that is certainly not a globe. The reason it is so easy for me, as a traditional catholic, to believe that the earth is not a globe is because a globe leads one to evolution, and atheism.  To believe as the Genesis account in Scripture clearly teaches us, leads one to creationism and to God.  Since coming across this truth I feel much closer to God who is looking down on us from Heaven which is above all of us.


    When He ascended into heaven, He did not go up sideways.

    Hell is below all of us.

    The globalists of the world hate God and have infiltrated with false science to lead one away and now the false religion of Scientism has replaced God's word.

    The faith is simple so even the most uneducated of us can easily believe and we do not have to rely on the priests, professors or scientists who, with their intellectual pride, have lead us astray on so many topics.  We can just open our eyes and see the wonderment of His creation right before us and as we see it...flat and stationary. God is not contrary and He did not make it look flat and stationary but in reality it is a spinning ball. through infinite space.  if so, where is Heaven....millions of light years away?? Why would He confuse us so that it is easy for us to believe in aliens and other worlds and evolution?  I think an enemy has done this...sown poison seeds for the unwary and proud.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1190 on: February 16, 2018, 12:27:27 AM »
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  • I am new to the forum, but I truly believe in a geocentric earth that is certainly not a globe. The reason it is so easy for me, as a traditional catholic, to believe that the earth is not a globe is because a globe leads one to evolution, and atheism.  To believe as the Genesis account in Scripture clearly teaches us, leads one to creationism and to God.  Since coming across this truth I feel much closer to God who is looking down on us from Heaven which is above all of us.


    When He ascended into heaven, He did not go up sideways.

    Hell is below all of us.

    The globalists of the world hate God and have infiltrated with false science to lead one away and now the false religion of Scientism has replaced God's word.

    The faith is simple so even the most uneducated of us can easily believe and we do not have to rely on the priests, professors or scientists who, with their intellectual pride, have lead us astray on so many topics.  We can just open our eyes and see the wonderment of His creation right before us and as we see it...flat and stationary. God is not contrary and He did not make it look flat and stationary but in reality it is a spinning ball. through infinite space.  if so, where is Heaven....millions of light years away?? Why would He confuse us so that it is easy for us to believe in aliens and other worlds and evolution?  I think an enemy has done this...sown poison seeds for the unwary and proud.
    One of the things I find discouraging with the Flat Earthers is the continual "God feels so much closer then before" argument, which I can't help but think is completely heretical. As Catholics we believe in his Omnipresence, meaning He is everywhere, even inside of us. 
    You say "Where is Heaven?" but when Daniel asked God how far away it was, God replied "The length of a prayer". So, if you say a prayer silently in your head it technically did not go anywhere. Therefore, Heaven is inside YOU and there is no need to look up to the sky and think that is how far away your Creator is from you. He sees all, hears all, knows all. You are connected to God most assuredly if you are in the state of Sanctifying Grace and and even the Holy Bible says tjat you are the Temple of The lord, and no one but you can drive him from that Temple. Remember that.
    Hence, for me this argument is the worst for embracing Flat Earth.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1191 on: February 16, 2018, 04:58:04 AM »
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  • One of the things I find discouraging with the Flat Earthers is the continual "God feels so much closer then before" argument, which I can't help but think is completely heretical. As Catholics we believe in his Omnipresence, meaning He is everywhere, even inside of us.
    You say "Where is Heaven?" but when Daniel asked God how far away it was, God replied "The length of a prayer". So, if you say a prayer silently in your head it technically did not go anywhere. Therefore, Heaven is inside YOU and there is no need to look up to the sky and think that is how far away your Creator is from you. He sees all, hears all, knows all. You are connected to God most assuredly if you are in the state of Sanctifying Grace and and even the Holy Bible says tjat you are the Temple of The lord, and no one but you can drive him from that Temple. Remember that.
    Hence, for me this argument is the worst for embracing Flat Earth.

    are you aware of how idiotic what you just said is?

    It's not an argument for the flat earth at all. I have never heard a flat earther use this. It is a remark made after the fact of having studied the theological and scientific arguments. It's a remark made based on the KNOWLEDGE that God IS much closer to us (in the literal physical sense) and how that consoles us.

    You're just using this as a distraction because you haven't studied the science.
    "....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain thing by another" - Church Father Lactentius on the globe earth

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1192 on: February 16, 2018, 09:58:56 AM »
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  • are you aware of how idiotic what you just said is?

    It's not an argument for the flat earth at all. I have never heard a flat earther use this. It is a remark made after the fact of having studied the theological and scientific arguments. It's a remark made based on the KNOWLEDGE that God IS much closer to us (in the literal physical sense) and how that consoles us.

    You're just using this as a distraction because you haven't studied the science.
    #1: Maybe you are right about it sounding stupid, but cut me some slack. It was midnight and i was very tired. What are YOU doing up at 4 in the morning?
    #2: I don't know how long you've been around this forum, but the way some have made this same statment in the past was like offering it as an argument, or at least a good reason. Though that may not be the case with this particular post, my past experiences cause an instinctive reaction to it. I apologize if it was too rash.
    #3: I'm not trying to distract, I just saw that post and reacted to it in particular. Sure, you can accuse me of being uneducated in these sciences, but you are also talking to one who is uneducated in general. And as one who has had no real previous thoughts on the matyer before it's presentation on this forum, I have to say that I am more convinced by the works put forth by such as Neil Obstat, St. Ignatious, and maybe a couple of comments of a poster who is no longer with us. From the outside looking in, the Flat Earthers have a number of folks who discredit their position like S.B. Meg, and TiE, and even happenby; not just because they have been slinging mud like mad babies in a sand box (folks like Neil included), but because when faced with various questions they just fall silent and can give no explaination, or throw a tantrum and derail the thread so as to avoid the issue. Even worse is when you offer tgem something to consider and they don't even jave the decency to look at it. I've personally experienced this back in a thread about maps and theid inefficiency.
    From the outside looking in, Flat Earth is being destroyed on the logical argument scale. The opinion I'm inclined to currently is that the Earth is round, but not perfectly; does not move; the stars, moon, and sun circle around it.
    I welcome you to keep trying. Maybe one day I'll be a Flat Earther, but it doesn't seem like that will be any time soon...
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1193 on: February 16, 2018, 10:18:20 AM »
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  • #1: Maybe you are right about it sounding stupid, but cut me some slack. It was midnight and i was very tired. What are YOU doing up at 4 in the morning?
    #2: I don't know how long you've been around this forum, but the way some have made this same statment in the past was like offering it as an argument, or at least a good reason. Though that may not be the case with this particular post, my past experiences cause an instinctive reaction to it. I apologize if it was too rash.
    #3: I'm not trying to distract, I just saw that post and reacted to it in particular. Sure, you can accuse me of being uneducated in these sciences, but you are also talking to one who is uneducated in general. And as one who has had no real previous thoughts on the matyer before it's presentation on this forum, I have to say that I am more convinced by the works put forth by such as Neil Obstat, St. Ignatious, and maybe a couple of comments of a poster who is no longer with us. From the outside looking in, the Flat Earthers have a number of folks who discredit their position like S.B. Meg, and TiE, and even happenby; not just because they have been slinging mud like mad babies in a sand box (folks like Neil included), but because when faced with various questions they just fall silent and can give no explaination, or throw a tantrum and derail the thread so as to avoid the issue. Even worse is when you offer tgem something to consider and they don't even jave the decency to look at it. I've personally experienced this back in a thread about maps and theid inefficiency.
    From the outside looking in, Flat Earth is being destroyed on the logical argument scale. The opinion I'm inclined to currently is that the Earth is round, but not perfectly; does not move; the stars, moon, and sun circle around it.
    I welcome you to keep trying. Maybe one day I'll be a Flat Earther, but it doesn't seem like that will be any time soon...
    You say when flat earthers are faced with various questions they just fall silent and can give no explanation.  Now, while its true, flat earthers cannot explain everything about the flat earth model, the one thing they claim beyond doubt is that earth is not a globe.  And for that, we have proof.  Globalists have no proof earth is a globe.  Globalists have no explanation for why there is no curve, how water sticks to a ball, why boats do not disappear behind the curve, even how Scripture describes a flat earth and traditional teaching on the subject.  Yet, you come in here and say we can't explain.  Now, that's weird.  When globalists can address any one of these, we can discuss what flat earthers don't know.  Until then, the ball is in the globalist camp.     

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1194 on: February 16, 2018, 10:56:35 AM »
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  • are you aware of how idiotic what you just said is?

    It's not an argument for the flat earth at all. I have never heard a flat earther use this. It is a remark made after the fact of having studied the theological and scientific arguments. It's a remark made based on the KNOWLEDGE that God IS much closer to us (in the literal physical sense) and how that consoles us.

    You're just using this as a distraction because you haven't studied the science.

    This was one of the answers give when I initially asked why it's so important that earth be flat vs. a globe.  So, while not an argument for flat earth per se, it's an argument some here have used to explain why this is such a big deal and why you can't be a good Catholic and believe in globe earth.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1195 on: February 16, 2018, 11:15:02 AM »
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  • You say "Where is Heaven?" but when Daniel asked God how far away it was, God replied "The length of a prayer". So, if you say a prayer silently in your head it technically did not go anywhere. Therefore, Heaven is inside YOU and there is no need to look up to the sky and think that is how far away your Creator is from you.

    So you believe that Heaven is inside us, and that Heaven is not an actual place? Is that really what the Catholic Church teaches? Somehow I think not. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1196 on: February 16, 2018, 11:32:14 AM »
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  • Yeah...  When I read that, my "Christian Charismatic" radar went off.  

    Yes, it does sound like charismatic nonsense.

    And it also sounds "new age." Those involved in, say, transcendental mediation believe in that part of scripture that says that "the kingdom of God is within you." But this does not suffice, we have Our Lord's Ascension into Heaven, and Our Lady's assumption, so Heaven can't just be in our minds.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1197 on: February 16, 2018, 11:34:13 AM »
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  • I am new to the forum, but I truly believe in a geocentric earth that is certainly not a globe. The reason it is so easy for me, as a traditional catholic, to believe that the earth is not a globe is because a globe leads one to evolution, and atheism.  To believe as the Genesis account in Scripture clearly teaches us, leads one to creationism and to God.  Since coming across this truth I feel much closer to God who is looking down on us from Heaven which is above all of us.


    When He ascended into heaven, He did not go up sideways.

    Hell is below all of us.

    The globalists of the world hate God and have infiltrated with false science to lead one away and now the false religion of Scientism has replaced God's word.

    The faith is simple so even the most uneducated of us can easily believe and we do not have to rely on the priests, professors or scientists who, with their intellectual pride, have lead us astray on so many topics.  We can just open our eyes and see the wonderment of His creation right before us and as we see it...flat and stationary. God is not contrary and He did not make it look flat and stationary but in reality it is a spinning ball. through infinite space.  if so, where is Heaven....millions of light years away?? Why would He confuse us so that it is easy for us to believe in aliens and other worlds and evolution?  I think an enemy has done this...sown poison seeds for the unwary and proud.
    Bravo, well said! 
    Welcome to another flat earther!

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1198 on: February 16, 2018, 11:37:32 AM »
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  • One of the things I find discouraging with the Flat Earthers is the continual "God feels so much closer then before" argument, which I can't help but think is completely heretical. As Catholics we believe in his Omnipresence, meaning He is everywhere, even inside of us.
    You say "Where is Heaven?" but when Daniel asked God how far away it was, God replied "The length of a prayer". So, if you say a prayer silently in your head it technically did not go anywhere. Therefore, Heaven is inside YOU and there is no need to look up to the sky and think that is how far away your Creator is from you. He sees all, hears all, knows all. You are connected to God most assuredly if you are in the state of Sanctifying Grace and and even the Holy Bible says tjat you are the Temple of The lord, and no one but you can drive him from that Temple. Remember that.
    Hence, for me this argument is the worst for embracing Flat Earth.
    The grace of God is inside us,  NOT heaven.
    Heaven is literally closer on the flat earth model than on the heliocentrist's spinning ball with no heaven to be found anywhere. 

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1199 on: February 16, 2018, 12:21:57 PM »
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  • Yes, it does sound like charismatic nonsense.

    And it also sounds "new age." Those involved in, say, transcendental mediation believe in that part of scripture that says that "the kingdom of God is within you." But this does not suffice, we have Our Lord's Ascension into Heaven, and Our Lady's assumption, so Heaven can't just be in our minds.
    If we are a part of the Church and the Church is the Mystical Body of Christ and the His Body is part of His kingdome, I think it logical to conclude that we are "incorporated" into God and and likewise His Kingdome inside us. Is it that hard to comprehend? It seems a simple matter to me... I do knot deny that Heaven is also a physical place, but it also has a spiritual nature, and the spiritual envelopes the physical in a way i don't think most will ever even partly understand.
     
    And once again, you commit another sin against charity, presuming one to be charismatic and a practitioner of transendental meditation. Just because you think you are a good, knowledgable christian does not mean you understand anything about Eastern terms, their applications, origins, or reality. How many books have you read on biology, reflexology, energy, martial arts, exercises, and actually put it into practice in the physical world?

    I would like to write more on the first paragraph, but my phone is acting weird so I'll leave it at this for now.
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll