So Neil has finally cracked.  I was wondering how long it would take.

If anyone has read about the difficulties of translating a globe map to a flat one, they'd know instantly that the FAAs explanation for using flat earth software is garbage.

One of the things I find discouraging with the Flat Earthers is the continual "God feels so much closer then before" argument, which I can't help but think is completely heretical. As Catholics we believe in his Omnipresence, meaning He is everywhere, even inside of us.
You say "Where is Heaven?" but when Daniel asked God how far away it was, God replied "The length of a prayer". So, if you say a prayer silently in your head it technically did not go anywhere. Therefore, Heaven is inside YOU and there is no need to look up to the sky and think that is how far away your Creator is from you. He sees all, hears all, knows all. You are connected to God most assuredly if you are in the state of Sanctifying Grace and and even the Holy Bible says tjat you are the Temple of The lord, and no one but you can drive him from that Temple. Remember that.
Hence, for me this argument is the worst for embracing Flat Earth.

#1: Maybe you are right about it sounding stupid, but cut me some slack. It was midnight and i was very tired. What are YOU doing up at 4 in the morning?
#2: I don't know how long you've been around this forum, but the way some have made this same statment in the past was like offering it as an argument, or at least a good reason. Though that may not be the case with this particular post, my past experiences cause an instinctive reaction to it. I apologize if it was too rash.
#3: I'm not trying to distract, I just saw that post and reacted to it in particular. Sure, you can accuse me of being uneducated in these sciences, but you are also talking to one who is uneducated in general. And as one who has had no real previous thoughts on the matyer before it's presentation on this forum, I have to say that I am more convinced by the works put forth by such as Neil Obstat, St. Ignatious, and maybe a couple of comments of a poster who is no longer with us. From the outside looking in, the Flat Earthers have a number of folks who discredit their position like S.B. Meg, and TiE, and even happenby; not just because they have been slinging mud like mad babies in a sand box (folks like Neil included), but because when faced with various questions they just fall silent and can give no explaination, or throw a tantrum and derail the thread so as to avoid the issue. Even worse is when you offer tgem something to consider and they don't even jave the decency to look at it. I've personally experienced this back in a thread about maps and theid inefficiency.
From the outside looking in, Flat Earth is being destroyed on the logical argument scale. The opinion I'm inclined to currently is that the Earth is round, but not perfectly; does not move; the stars, moon, and sun circle around it.
I welcome you to keep trying. Maybe one day I'll be a Flat Earther, but it doesn't seem like that will be any time soon...

You say "Where is Heaven?" but when Daniel asked God how far away it was, God replied "The length of a prayer". So, if you say a prayer silently in your head it technically did not go anywhere. Therefore, Heaven is inside YOU and there is no need to look up to the sky and think that is how far away your Creator is from you.

I am new to the forum, but I truly believe in a geocentric earth that is certainly not a globe. The reason it is so easy for me, as a traditional catholic, to believe that the earth is not a globe is because a globe leads one to evolution, and atheism.  To believe as the Genesis account in Scripture clearly teaches us, leads one to creationism and to God.  Since coming across this truth I feel much closer to God who is looking down on us from Heaven which is above all of us.


When He ascended into heaven, He did not go up sideways.

Hell is below all of us.

The globalists of the world hate God and have infiltrated with false science to lead one away and now the false religion of Scientism has replaced God's word.

The faith is simple so even the most uneducated of us can easily believe and we do not have to rely on the priests, professors or scientists who, with their intellectual pride, have lead us astray on so many topics.  We can just open our eyes and see the wonderment of His creation right before us and as we see it...flat and stationary. God is not contrary and He did not make it look flat and stationary but in reality it is a spinning ball. through infinite space.  if so, where is Heaven....millions of light years away?? Why would He confuse us so that it is easy for us to believe in aliens and other worlds and evolution?  I think an enemy has done this...sown poison seeds for the unwary and proud.

Yes, it does sound like charismatic nonsense.

And it also sounds "new age." Those involved in, say, transcendental mediation believe in that part of scripture that says that "the kingdom of God is within you." But this does not suffice, we have Our Lord's Ascension into Heaven, and Our Lady's assumption, so Heaven can't just be in our minds.