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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #1170 on: February 13, 2018, 01:49:49 PM »
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    There are two models in question
    -- the spherical earth with an enormous spherical core of at least partially molten (hot) material, most likely rich in heavy elements such as iron, which when moving (as electric motors demonstrate) involves magnetic fields;
    -- and a "flat" earth with nothing at all underground in motion and consequently nothing to explain a moving magnetic north pole.
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    "So what?" you say. All righty then.
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    I could break it down further for you but I doubt you would pay attention. And flat-earthers would resort to Bible quotes, or the "Church Fathers" who obviously knew nothing about magnetic fields because it was not a topic of discussion yet for hundreds of years yet to come.
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    News flash:  The Bible has no mention of electric motors, magnetism or magnetic fields.
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    ... with nothing at all underground in motion and consequently nothing to explain a moving magnetic north pole ... 
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    Should I take it that you're okay with that, then?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1171 on: February 13, 2018, 02:58:40 PM »
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  • A majority of the Fathers (if that is in fact the case) is not the same as the Fathers speaking unanimously.  There is no authority given to things for being the majority view.  Your entire argument rests on a false premise.  And there is no "mounting evidence" for flat earth.  

    Nor is there a "powerful argument from Tradition".  Tradition involves beliefs and practices handed down from one generation to the next, not ideas that disappear for 1300 years.  When something that has been gone for this long gets artificially pulled out from the past that is the error of archeologism - you know, the one used to justify Communion in the hand.
    More of the same from Jaynek, always dismissing what is, for what isn't.  Evidence for flat earth coming from Saints and Fathers piles up daily, with no end in sight, forcing to me to do two volumes.  Others will enjoy the pearls of wisdom from the Fathers of the Church, while you cling to the unanimity of Fathers who did not teach that earth is a globe based on Scripture.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1172 on: February 13, 2018, 03:34:20 PM »
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  • Evidence for flat earth coming from Saints and Fathers piles up daily, with no end in sight, forcing to me to do two volumes.  
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    There is no evidence of "flat" earth to be found anywhere, and that includes from the saints.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1173 on: February 13, 2018, 03:42:22 PM »
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    There is no evidence of "flat" earth to be found anywhere, and that includes from the saints.
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    Lol

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1174 on: February 13, 2018, 03:50:00 PM »
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    That's right: There is no evidence of a "flat" earth to be found anywhere, and that includes from the saints and the Fathers.
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    What there IS evidence for is the sphericity of the earth, which is found everywhere we look.
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    We can see it high
    We can see it low
    We can see it there,
    Everywhere we go.
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    We can see it in the east
    We can see it in the west
    We can hardly tell where we
    Can see it that it's the best.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1175 on: February 13, 2018, 04:47:23 PM »
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    We can see it in the south
    We can see it in the north
    We can take what we can see
    And from there we can go forth
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    Eclipses tell us much
    And the moon can tell us more
    What we see above the beach
    We can see above the shore
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    We can see it from up close
    We can see it far away
    And the more that we do look
    Then the more that we can say
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    A globe is round, you see, 
    And the earth is rounder still
    No more round there would be found
    Would we look beyond the hill
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    The moon rises in the east
    And it sets out in the west
    As the sun across the sky
    So the moon completes the quest
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    When the moon is new it hides
    And for us it's hard to see
    But for special tools at hand
    We can use most tranquilly
    .
    While the moon is not so fast
    Tho' by far it's close to us
    Then the sun which passes by
    Casts moon's shadow onto us
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    Or when the round, round earth 
    Passed between the sun and moon
    We get to see our shadow there
    Looking like a spoon
    ;D



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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1176 on: February 13, 2018, 08:22:44 PM »
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  • Perhaps when Neil is done waxing long on poetry, he'll explain why the FAA uses flat earth modeling.  Oh, yea.  Its simpler.   :facepalm:


    From Edward Hendrie's  The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof That Our World is Not a Moving Globe.


    An FAA publication explains that in order for software to accurately replicate the behavior of aircraft during flight over the earth, the software running the TGF simulator assumes that the earth is flat:

    "The observant reader will notice that the aircraft equations of motion were calculated assuming a flat earth and that we here assume the development frame was the NorthEast-Down frame.  This implies necessarily that earth rotation and the variation of the gravity vector with position over the earth were ignored in developing the aircraft equations of motion.  This simplification limits our mathematical model to the flight of aircraft only. The model will not properly handle the flight of sub-orbital craft and spacecraft such as intercontinental ballistic missiles, satellites, or the space shuttle.  The model is adequate for all vehicles traveling under Mach 3."


    The only way the FAA can or would assume flat earth for training pilots as this software does, it would have to be very accurate.  It is a ridiculous assumption to suggest that their software could simulate using flat earth models when their pilots will be flying over a globe.   Notice they really do not say that the model is actually inaccurate for vehicles traveling more than Mach 3.


    Only a frantic globie would even attempt to explain or justify this. Guess the pilots must be told something when they see the flat earth simulator software. This is the FAA's twisted response.  

     

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1177 on: February 13, 2018, 08:35:39 PM »
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  • Perhaps when Neil is done waxing long on poetry, he'll explain why the FAA uses flat earth modeling.  Oh, yea.  Its simpler.   :facepalm:


    From Edward Hendrie's  The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof That Our World is Not a Moving Globe.


    An FAA publication explains that in order for software to accurately replicate the behavior of aircraft during flight over the earth, the software running the TGF simulator assumes that the earth is flat:

    "The observant reader will notice that the aircraft equations of motion were calculated assuming a flat earth and that we here assume the development frame was the NorthEast-Down frame. This implies necessarily that earth rotation and the variation of the gravity vector with position over the earth were ignored in developing the aircraft equations of motion.  This simplification limits our mathematical model to the flight of aircraft only. The model will not properly handle the flight of sub-orbital craft and spacecraft such as intercontinental ballistic missiles, satellites, or the space shuttle.  The model is adequate for all vehicles traveling under Mach 3."


    The only way the FAA can or would assume flat earth for training pilots as this software does, it would have to be very accurate.  It is a ridiculous assumption to suggest that their software could simulate using flat earth models when their pilots will be flying over a globe.   Notice they really do not say that the model is actually inaccurate for vehicles traveling more than Mach 3.


    Only a frantic globie would even attempt to explain or justify this. Guess the pilots must be told something when they see the flat earth simulator software. This is the FAA's twisted response.  

     
    If anyone has read about the difficulties of translating a globe map to a flat one, they'd know instantly that the FAAs explanation for using flat earth software is garbage.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1178 on: February 13, 2018, 10:27:38 PM »
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    We can see it high
    We can see it low
    We can see it there,
    Everywhere we go.
    .
    We can see it in the east
    We can see it in the west
    We can hardly tell where we
    Can see it that it's the best.
    .
    We can see it in the south
    We can see it in the north
    We can take what we can see
    And from there we can go forth
    .
    Eclipses tell us much
    And the moon can tell us more
    What we see above the beach
    We can see above the shore
    .
    We can see it from up close
    We can see it far away
    And the more that we do look
    Then the more that we can say
    .
    A globe is round, you see,
    And the earth is rounder still
    No more round there would be found
    Would we look beyond the hill
    .
    The moon rises in the east
    And it sets out in the west
    As the sun across the sky
    So the moon completes the quest
    .
    When the moon is new it hides
    And for us it's hard to see
    But for special tools at hand
    We can use most tranquilly
    .
    While the moon is not so fast
    Tho' by far it's close to us
    Then the sun which passes by
    Casts moon's shadow onto us
    .
    Or when the round, round earth
    Passed between the sun and moon
    We get to see our shadow there
    Looking like a spoon
    ;D

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1179 on: February 13, 2018, 10:37:07 PM »
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  • Keep your day job. Can't respond. Poetry sucks.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1180 on: February 13, 2018, 11:26:38 PM »
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  • Keep your day job. Can't respond. Poetry sucks.
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    Poetry does what?
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    I have a 1609 Catholic Bible that infallibly defines "A firmament" (Genesis 1:6, "And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters") as follows: 

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    "Chap. 1.   Ver. 6.   A firmament.  By this name is here understood the whole space between the earth, and the highest stars. The lower part of which divideth the waters that are upon the earth, from those that are above in the clouds."
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    Consequently, the firmament is not any solid or hard material but rather it is the zone or space between the earth and the highest stars which modern man would call the atmosphere and outer space. The water that is divided is the separation between liquid water as it occurs on the surface of the earth and vaporous water as it occurs in clouds in the sky. The ancient Bible authors had no way of understanding that the principal limit of water vapor is the earth's atmosphere. But today, we know that even in outer space, water can exist albeit in a very sparse and expanded form, with much distance between each water molecule without confines of ambient air pressure.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1181 on: February 14, 2018, 12:20:40 AM »
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    The Bible doesn't need your false-god, golden-calf, flat-earthism for veracity.
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    The Bible has the Church, and flat-earthism has NOTHING.
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    Actually Neil there's little debate amongst scholars of ancient literature that The Bible depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth, with a hard or "firm" dome, with relatively small celestial objects like The Stars and The Sun orbiting it in what Ancient Hebrews called, "The Firmament."  

    Furthermore, The Catholic Church has TRADITIONALLY held to a Literal Interpretation of The Scripture.
     
    So, accepting The Globe Earth and a Heliocentric Universe/Solar System has forced The Church into a very awkward position and extremely weakened its credibility in all areas of Western Thought.  I mean, if God can't tell The Church something so basic as your home is rocketing around a big massive Sun, but instead tells The Church that the Earth is stationary and unmoving, while also telling Us that we'd all better not miss church on Sundays and we'd better give lots of money to Priests, then this God, would rightly so, seem suspicious (like he was more interested in power and wealth, than in truth since he would appear to not have any truth, in other words, he would appear to have been made up by Old Men, trying to control other Men, Women and Children, with a fairy tale that not surprisingly gave those very same Old Men lots of wealth and power.  

    So yes Neil, The Church does need Flat Earth in its War on Modernism.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1182 on: February 14, 2018, 11:04:27 AM »
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  • Actually Neil there's little debate amongst scholars of ancient literature that The Bible depicts a Flat and Stationary Earth, with a hard or "firm" dome, with relatively small celestial objects like The Stars and The Sun orbiting it in what Ancient Hebrews called, "The Firmament."  

    Furthermore, The Catholic Church has TRADITIONALLY held to a Literal Interpretation of The Scripture.
     
    So, accepting The Globe Earth and a Heliocentric Universe/Solar System has forced The Church into a very awkward position and extremely weakened its credibility in all areas of Western Thought.  I mean, if God can't tell The Church something so basic as your home is rocketing around a big massive Sun, but instead tells The Church that the Earth is stationary and unmoving, while also telling Us that we'd all better not miss church on Sundays and we'd better give lots of money to Priests, then this God, would rightly so, seem suspicious (like he was more interested in power and wealth, than in truth since he would appear to not have any truth, in other words, he would appear to have been made up by Old Men, trying to control other Men, Women and Children, with a fairy tale that not surprisingly gave those very same Old Men lots of wealth and power.  

    So yes Neil, The Church does need Flat Earth in its War on Modernism.  
    Hmmm... debate that rages today. Would our governments really lie to us? :laugh1:

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1183 on: February 14, 2018, 11:46:10 AM »
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  • We can see it high
    We can see it low
    We can see it there,
    Everywhere we go.

    So Neil has finally cracked.  I was wondering how long it would take.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1184 on: February 14, 2018, 05:28:58 PM »
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  • Hmmm... debate that rages today. Would our governments really lie to us? :laugh1:
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    There is no "debate raging" today. It's all in your imagination.
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    Everyone knows the earth is a globe, and flat-earthers are fruit cakes. Case closed.
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