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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #1050 on: October 19, 2017, 01:32:26 PM »
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    No matter how you slice it, flat-earthism makes a mockery of the Church because it does not conform to objective reality and there is no model of any kind of "flat" earth that explains what we can observe by looking at the sky.
    The phony NASA cartoon ball (devoid of purgatory, hell and a firmament) actually makes a mockery of the Church. No curve of the earth has ever been shown, save for the fake NASA Hollywood movies being pushed as reality and certain videos taken through a fish eye lens. Nothing seen in the sky can ultimately prove any curvature of the earth.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1051 on: October 19, 2017, 02:48:25 PM »
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  • The phony NASA cartoon ball (devoid of purgatory, hell and a firmament) actually makes a mockery of the Church. No curve of the earth has ever been shown, save for the fake NASA Hollywood movies being pushed as reality and certain videos taken through a fish eye lens. Nothing seen in the sky can ultimately prove any curvature of the earth.
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    You have it backwards, as usual. The curvature of the earth is plainly visible for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear, but if you continue to keep your head in the sand you won't see and you won't hear. So do as you please, it's your own doing. 
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    You have already decided that "nothing seen in the sky can ultimately prove any curvature of the earth," therefore, you have made yourself immune to the facts of reality. You have already decided in advance and you don't want to be confused with the facts.
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    You prefer to be left in your ignorance and you refuse to learn anything, and you love to complain about it.
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    When you've seen one flat-earther you've seen them all.  A lot like sedevacantists, actually. Stuck on selective, redundant mantras.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1052 on: October 19, 2017, 09:42:56 PM »
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    You have it backwards, as usual. The curvature of the earth is plainly visible for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear, but if you continue to keep your head in the sand you won't see and you won't hear. So do as you please, it's your own doing.
    Ears to hear? You can hear curvature of the earth? What does it sound like? Please tell us.
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    You have already decided that "nothing seen in the sky can ultimately prove any curvature of the earth," therefore, you have made yourself immune to the facts of reality. You have already decided in advance and you don't want to be confused with the facts.
    Actually, you have it backwards as usual. The facts clearly show no curvature. You have NASA Hollywood movies, fake satellites, phony moon landings, freemasonic astro-nots, fish eye lenses, CGI images and more ridiculousness as your supposed proof.

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    When you've seen one flat-earther you've seen them all.  A lot like sedevacantists, actually. Stuck on selective, redundant mantras.
    So you believe Frank is a true pope? Maybe so, but not of the Catholic Church.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1053 on: October 19, 2017, 10:04:20 PM »
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  • Ears to hear? You can hear curvature of the earth? What does it sound like? Please tell us.
    :popcorn:
    Actually, you have it backwards as usual. The facts clearly show no curvature. You have NASA Hollywood movies, fake satellites, phony moon landings, freemasonic astro-nots, fish eye lenses, CGI images and more ridiculousness as your supposed proof.
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    So you believe Frank is a true pope? Maybe so, but not of the Catholic Church.
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    You have it backwards, as usual.
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    Your sedevacantism and flat-earthism go hand in hand. 
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    Fortunately for you, the shape of the earth isn't an article of the Faith.
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    I only hope you don't let that get in the way of holiness.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1054 on: October 20, 2017, 07:42:22 AM »
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    You have it backwards, as usual.
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    Your sedevacantism and flat-earthism go hand in hand.
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    Fortunately for you, the shape of the earth isn't an article of the Faith.
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    I only hope you don't let that get in the way of holiness.
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    I'm not sede.
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    In fact, I don't know any FE'ers that are sede.
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    However, Dizzy IS a sede.
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    Myrna is a sede.
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    Globetards = sedes.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1055 on: October 20, 2017, 02:39:05 PM »
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  • I'm not sede.
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    In fact, I don't know any FE'ers that are sede.
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    However, Dizzy IS a sede.
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    Myrna is a sede.
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    Globetards = sedes.
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    Sorry!  I forgot that you don't know what you are. I had held out such hope for you, but alas...
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    Better get your nose back to the grindstone, where it belongs. 
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1056 on: October 20, 2017, 02:42:08 PM »
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  • The phony NASA cartoon ball (devoid of purgatory, hell and a firmament) actually makes a mockery of the Church. No curve of the earth has ever been shown, save for the fake NASA Hollywood movies being pushed as reality and certain videos taken through a fish eye lens. Nothing seen in the sky can ultimately prove any curvature of the earth.
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    "Whimper, cry, waaaah." Flat-earthers are consummate complainers. Poor baby. Life is so hard!  :baby:
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1057 on: October 21, 2017, 12:48:07 AM »
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  • Here is a question for the flat earthers:

    1) What are your interpretation of how we have different wind currents depending on the hemisphere...or quadrant, not sure of your nomenclature.  How does flat earth explain the Coriolis force and Hadley cell. 

    The Coriolis effect:
    Italian scientist Giovanni Battista Riccioli and his assistant Francesco Maria Grimaldi described the effect in connection with artillery in the 1651 Almagestum Novum, writing that rotation of the Earth should cause a cannonball fired to the north to deflect to the east.[7] In 1674 Claude François Milliet Dechales described in his Cursus seu Mundus Mathematicus how the rotation of the earth should cause a deflection in the trajectories of both falling bodies and projectiles aimed toward one of the planet's poles. Riccioli, Grimaldi, and Dechales all described the effect as part of an argument against the heliocentric system of Copernicus. In other words, they argued that the Earth's rotation should create the effect, and so failure to detect the effect was evidence for an immobile Earth.[8] The Coriolis acceleration equation was derived by Euler in 1749[9][10] and the effect was described in the tidal equations of Pierre-Simon Laplace in 1778.[11]
    Gaspard-Gustave Coriolis published a paper in 1835 on the energy yield of machines with rotating parts, such as waterwheels.[12] That paper considered the supplementary forces that are detected in a rotating frame of reference. Coriolis divided these supplementary forces into two categories. The second category contained a force that arises from the cross product of the angular velocity of a coordinate system and the projection of a particle's velocity into a plane perpendicular to the system's axis of rotation. Coriolis referred to this force as the "compound centrifugal force" due to its analogies with the centrifugal force already considered in category one.[13][14] The effect was known in the early 20th century as the "acceleration of Coriolis",[15] and by 1920 as "Coriolis force".[16]
    In 1856, William Ferrel proposed the existence of a circulation cell in the mid-latitudes with air being deflected by the Coriolis force to create the prevailing westerly winds.[17]
    The understanding of the kinematics of how exactly the rotation of the Earth affects airflow was partial at first.[18] Late in the 19th century, the full extent of the large scale interaction of pressure gradient force and deflecting force that in the end causes air masses to move 'along' isobars was understood.

    Giovanni Battista Riccioli and his assistant Francesco Maria Grimaldi were both Catholic Jesuit Priests.  Fr. Giovianni is known for his 126 arguments concerns the motion of the earth in Almagestum Novum.

    So here is another Catholic priest that was a scientist that provided yet another pillar in the foundation of modern science.  If his equations couldn't be proved and repeated, he would have been laughed off.  There is much more written about him.  His was never condemned by the Church, nor were his works banned by the Church. Does the flat earth have counter equations for the Coriolis forces/acceleration/effects.

    For that matter why would the vortex of draining water be different between the northern and southern hemisphere if the earth was flat?


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1058 on: October 21, 2017, 12:02:21 PM »
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  • In FE model, there is no Coriolis Effect. The Michelson-Morley experiment proved this.
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    Also, the "water vortex" is a myth. Lots of experiments available to view that the direction of flow is not different across hemispheres, and has to do with the direction water enters from.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1059 on: October 21, 2017, 12:15:41 PM »
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1060 on: October 21, 2017, 09:26:38 PM »
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  • In FE model, there is no Coriolis Effect. The Michelson-Morley experiment proved this.
    You were right about the drain myth, mea culpa.

    Michelson-Morley

    You should read the entire link on them. You sited a single failed experiment conducted by two scientist.  The article elaborates on the things they did not take into account. Their calculations were corrected and was conducted repeatedly by other scientists.  A single failed experiment doesn't disprove the Coriolis Effect.

    If the Coriolis Effect can accurately measure and predicts the different directions of winds on various latitudes, long range sniper shots, etc... why are we saying that it doesn't exist.  The people who are educated to use the equations understands how it works.  If the math is provable and solid, and you can truly replicate the results, how can you say it doesn't exist?


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1061 on: October 21, 2017, 09:36:49 PM »
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  • You were right about the drain myth, mea culpa.

    Michelson-Morley

    You should read the entire link on them. You sited a single failed experiment conducted by two scientist.  The article elaborates on the things they did not take into account. Their calculations were corrected and was conducted repeatedly by other scientists.  A single failed experiment doesn't disprove the Coriolis Effect.

    If the Coriolis Effect can accurately measure and predicts the different directions of winds on various latitudes, long range sniper shots, etc... why are we saying that it doesn't exist.  The people who are educated to use the equations understands how it works.  If the math is provable and solid, and you can truly replicate the results, how can you say it doesn't exist?
    By providing something with greater explanatory power, explanatory scope, and less "ad hocness"
    Don't hold your breath...
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1062 on: October 24, 2017, 03:28:38 PM »
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    For all of these Albertus Magnus had opened the door to the rich treasure-house of Greek and Arabian learning. Still more far-reaching in their results were the labours of the scholars who applied themselves principally to mathematical geography. At the head of them all stands Roger Bacon, the "Doctor Mirabilis" of the Order of St. Francis (1214-94). Columbus was emboldened to carry out his great project on the strength of Bacon's assertion that India could be reached by a westerly voyage — a claim based on mathematical computation. Even before Ptolemy's "Geography" had been rediscovered, Bacon attempted to sketch a map, determining mathematically the positions of places, and using Ptolemy's Almagest, the descriptions of Alfraganus, and the Alphonsine Tables. Peschel pronounces this to be "the greatest achievement of the scholastics". Cardinal Pierre d'Ailly (1350-1425), whose "Imago Mundi" was also a favourite book of Columbus's, founded it on Bacon's works. It is to him and Cardinal Filiaster that Western civilization owes the first Latin translation of Ptolemy's "Geography", which Jacopus Angelus finished and dedicated to Pope Alexander V (1409-10). The circulation of this book created a tremendous revolution, which was particularly beneficial to the development of cartography for centuries thereafter. As early as 1427 the Dane Claudius Clavusadded to Filiaster's priceless manuscript of Ptolemy's work his map of Northern Europe, the oldest map of the North which we possess. Domnus Nicolaus Germanus, a Benedictine (of Reichenbach?) (1466), was the first scholar who modernized Ptolemy by means of new maps and made him generally accessible. The Benedictine Andreas Walsperger (1448 ) made a map of the world in the medieval style. That of the Camaldolese Fra Mauro (1457) is the most celebrated of all monuments of medieval cartography. It was already enriched by data furnished in Ptolemy's work. The map of Germany designed by Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa (1401-64), a pupil of Toscanelli (1387-1492), was printed in 1491. This prelate was the teacher of Peuerbach (1432-61), who in turn was the master of Regiomontanus (1436-67), the most illustrious astronomer since Ptolemy. Cardinal Bessarion enabled Regiomontanus to study Greek, and Pope Sixtus IV (1474) entrusted the reformation of the Calendar to him. We must also mention Æneas Sylvius (afterwards Pope Pius II) and the papal secretaries Poggio and Flavio Biondo, who made several valuable contributions to the science of geography, also Cardinal Bembo and the Carthusian Reisch (1467-1525).


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1063 on: October 24, 2017, 05:59:31 PM »
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    The Fra Mauro map of the world obviously attempts to depict the then-known land masses all on one page.
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    By later conceptions of the same region, the shape of the so-called world of Fra Mauro would appear as follows:
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    This is the 1827 Finley Map of the Eastern Hemisphere. . What a difference 368 years makes!
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    Comparing these two maps, it becomes clearly seen that numerous inaccuracies in the earlier map (below) have the effect of denying the vastness of the Indian Ocean. Fra Mauro has imagined scores of small islands around the perimeter of his "world" when no such islands exist in fact. He appears to have dreamed up numerous features with the compulsion to extend the kind of topography found in the Mediterranean so as to make the whole world one large Mediterranean-style place.
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    He's got Africa shrunken down and broken up with rivers, even throwing in a huge bay or quasi-sea on the western coast. There is no Madagascar, unless it's one of those tiny islands on the eastern coast of the broken Africa. Nor is there any Australia, nor prominent Indian peninsula. Sri Lanka could be any one of several such isles in that area, and the Philippines and Indonesia are entirely up for grabs. You can't recognize anything even remotely close to looking like it is Japan, so forget about it. 
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    All these errors and omissions are repaired in the later map by Finley, above, although it still needs a lot of improvement. Probably Finley's most significant contribution is the title, Eastern Hemisphere, instead of the whole world.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1064 on: October 26, 2017, 02:24:55 PM »
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  • For the 100th time; Talking about eclipses does not prove the round earth. Simply because we cannot explain something does not make curvature appear on the earth.

    The proof of the flat earth is the fact that there is NO curvature.

    So all the talk in world about eclipses is not going to affect that.
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    Flat-earthers can't explain eclipses because they've got the wrong model. Period.
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    It's so funny how flat-earthers responded to the August eclipse. When I started asking the pertinent questions in April, none of them had any answers -- it's like they had to go regroup to come up with something to say. But then after May, June and July, they started to come up with some snide replies acting like they had all the answers. Problem is, they had to base their replies on falsehood and inaccuracies. 
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    None of the flat-earthers came here to CI during April, May, June or July to answer the questions. They had to wait for their flat-tard-forum gurus to crank out some drivel they could grab and run away with to other sites.
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    Still, try as they may, their replies go nowhere. "Talking about eclipses does not prove the round earth" they say. "Simply because we cannot explain something does not make curvature appear on the earth" they say.
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    I guess that was their punch line.  :jester: .........  :facepalm: .......... :sleep:
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