Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 221591 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #1005 on:** October 12, 2017, 03:59:58 PM »

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Like I said, and so it is, the flat-earthers will have nothing to do with objective observation.
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Flat-earthers will never come up with a working model that explains what we see in the sky.
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They cannot provide a working model that demonstrates the phases of the moon, so they demand that someone else produces one.

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The courses the sun and moon make across the sky do not jive with their defective hypothesis.
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The phases of the moon, observed from various places on the earth, describe a spherical earth, not a "flat earth."
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The Last Quarter moon occurred this morning at 5:27 am in the Pacific time zone (PDT).
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Therefore both the sun and moon were visible in the sky at that time in the Eastern USA and in the Central time zone, but not in the Mountain or Pacific time zones.
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IN FACT, both the sun and moon are now visible in the sky as I write this.
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This morning at 8:37 am Eastern Daylight Time and at 7:37 Central Daylight Time everyone there could see the Last Quarter moon high in the sky with the sun having risen in the east at 7:05 am.
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All you needed to do is measure the angle between the sun and the moon at that time.
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You didn't need a fancy apparatus to get a very close approximation.
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If you had tried to do this in Mountain or Pacific time, it would have been later when you could see the sun after sunrise, and the moon's angle to the sun would be a little bit less since the time of the quarter phase would have just passed before the sun rose.
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It makes no difference whether you are in northern Canada or South America, if you're in those time zones you'd see the same moon phase.
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In fact, from all over the earth, everyone sees the same moon phase at the same time.
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If the earth were "flat" you would not be seeing the same moon phase from those diverse places.
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Flat-earthers' inability to understand this is due to their inability to understand the very thing they profess, the "flat earth."
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They cannot produce a "flat" earth model that demonstrates the moon phases, so they demand that someone else should produce one.
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Two weeks ago was an ideal opportunity for everyone in the USA to observe both sun and moon when the moon reached the First Quarter phase.
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This quarter moon event (whether First Quarter or Last Quarter) is a very important time for learning about the relative distances from earth to moon and from earth to sun.
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Flat-earthers have time and again shown that they have no interest whatsoever in learning this truth.
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They refuse to pay attention, and they have no idea what they're missing (unless they're deliberately trying to deceive others).
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happenby · « **Reply #1006 on:** October 12, 2017, 05:57:19 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on October 12, 2017, 03:59:58 PM

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Like I said, and so it is, the flat-earthers will have nothing to do with objective observation.
.
.
Flat-earthers will never come up with a working model that explains what we see in the sky.
.
They cannot provide a working model that demonstrates the phases of the moon, so they demand that someone else produces one.
.
.
The courses the sun and moon make across the sky do not jive with their defective hypothesis.
.
The phases of the moon, observed from various places on the earth, describe a spherical earth, not a "flat earth."
.
The Last Quarter moon occurred this morning at 5:27 am in the Pacific time zone (PDT).
.
Therefore both the sun and moon were visible in the sky at that time in the Eastern USA and in the Central time zone, but not in the Mountain or Pacific time zones.
.
IN FACT, both the sun and moon are now visible in the sky as I write this.
.
This morning at 8:37 am Eastern Daylight Time and at 7:37 Central Daylight Time everyone there could see the Last Quarter moon high in the sky with the sun having risen in the east at 7:05 am.
.
All you needed to do is measure the angle between the sun and the moon at that time.
.
You didn't need a fancy apparatus to get a very close approximation.
.
If you had tried to do this in Mountain or Pacific time, it would have been later when you could see the sun after sunrise, and the moon's angle to the sun would be a little bit less since the time of the quarter phase would have just passed before the sun rose.
.
It makes no difference whether you are in northern Canada or South America, if you're in those time zones you'd see the same moon phase.
.
In fact, from all over the earth, everyone sees the same moon phase at the same time.
.
If the earth were "flat" you would not be seeing the same moon phase from those diverse places.
.
Flat-earthers' inability to understand this is due to their inability to understand the very thing they profess, the "flat earth."
.
They cannot produce a "flat" earth model that demonstrates the moon phases, so they demand that someone else should produce one.
.
Two weeks ago was an ideal opportunity for everyone in the USA to observe both sun and moon when the moon reached the First Quarter phase.
.
This quarter moon event (whether First Quarter or Last Quarter) is a very important time for learning about the relative distances from earth to moon and from earth to sun.
.
Flat-earthers have time and again shown that they have no interest whatsoever in learning this truth.
.
They refuse to pay attention, and they have no idea what they're missing (unless they're deliberately trying to deceive others).
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No one has refused to pay attention except globers who insist the NASA narrative is true. The Church has condemned heliocentrism and Her saints have favored flat earth and explained flat earth from the beginning. Nothing AT ALL suggests otherwise historically speaking. If you have something from the Catholic world that shows earth is not flat and geocentric, please provide it or cease and desist your garbage regarding flat earth.

Tradplorable · « **Reply #1007 on:** October 12, 2017, 07:36:32 PM »

Neil did not even attempt to answer my question.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #1008 on:** October 12, 2017, 07:43:05 PM »

Quote from: Tradplorable on October 12, 2017, 07:36:32 PM

Neil did not even attempt to answer my question.

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Oh, retarded one, I most certainly did answer your question but like I said, you're not paying attention, like happenby doesn't pay attention, which see.
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Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #1009 on:** October 12, 2017, 08:03:20 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on October 12, 2017, 07:43:05 PM

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Oh, retarded one, I most certainly did answer your question but like I said, you're not paying attention, like happenby doesn't pay attention, which see.
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Neil Obstat thinking he has answered a question is a N.O.N. answer.

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N.eil O.bstat N.ASA A.nswer.

Have you answered the question Neil Obstat?

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NO and NA.SA.

Student of Qi · « **Reply #1010 on:** October 12, 2017, 09:07:49 PM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal on October 12, 2017, 08:03:20 PM

Neil Obstat thinking he has answered a question is a N.O.N. answer.

Have you answered the question Neil Obstat?

Soooooo creative... What does the "SA" stand for?

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #1011 on:** October 12, 2017, 09:50:21 PM »

Quote from: Student of Qi on October 12, 2017, 09:07:49 PM

Soooooo creative... What does the "SA" stand for?

No and Na.

"NASA".

Student of Qi · « **Reply #1012 on:** October 12, 2017, 10:21:22 PM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal on October 12, 2017, 09:50:21 PM

No and Na.

"NASA".

Yea, that's what I'm asking. You utilized his initials, and the first 2 letters of NASA but you forgot to make something out of "SA", you only used "NA". Where I come from you gotta try and use the whole thing!

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #1013 on:** October 12, 2017, 11:43:42 PM »

Quote from: Student of Qi on October 12, 2017, 10:21:22 PM

Yea, that's what I'm asking. You utilized his initials, and the first 2 letters of NASA but you forgot to make something out of "SA", you only used "NA". Where I come from you gotta try and use the whole thing!

I'm not that creative.

RoughAshlar · « **Reply #1014 on:** October 13, 2017, 12:31:01 AM »

Quote from: happenby on October 12, 2017, 05:57:19 PM

No one has refused to pay attention except globers who insist the NASA narrative is true. The Church has condemned heliocentrism and Her saints have favored flat earth and explained flat earth from the beginning. Nothing AT ALL suggests otherwise historically speaking. If you have something from the Catholic world that shows earth is not flat and geocentric, please provide it or cease and desist your garbage regarding flat earth.

I frequently see the talk about when the Church condemned heliocentrism, Galileo, and Copernicus....but what about when the Church allowed heliocentrism and unbanned the publications. On September 11, 1822, the College of Cardinals stated, "The printing and publication of works treating of the motion of the earth and stability of the sun, in accordance with the opinion of modern astronomers, is permitted." Two weeks later Pope Pius VII ratifies the Cardinals' decree. In 1835 Galileo's works were removed off the Church's banned book list.

Quote from: happenby on October 12, 2017, 05:57:19 PM

If you have something from the Catholic world that shows earth is not flat and geocentric, please provide it or cease and desist your garbage regarding flat earth.

So if the Catholic Church said it was ok to publish, read, and believe in these scientific works, then would it would stand to reason that this is the Church's position on the subject. If the Catholic Church adopted this nearly 200 years ago, then I submit Galileo's Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems to satisfy your demand.

RoughAshlar · « **Reply #1015 on:** October 13, 2017, 12:40:28 AM »

Quote from: RoughAshlar on October 13, 2017, 12:31:01 AM

I frequently see the talk about when the Church condemned heliocentrism, Galileo, and Copernicus....but what about when the Church allowed heliocentrism and unbanned the publications. On September 11, 1822, the College of Cardinals stated, "The printing and publication of works treating of the motion of the earth and stability of the sun, in accordance with the opinion of modern astronomers, is permitted." Two weeks later Pope Pius VII ratifies the Cardinals' decree. In 1835 Galileo's works were removed off the Church's banned book list.
So if the Catholic Church said it was ok to publish, read, and believe in these scientific works, then would it would stand to reason that this is the Church's position on the subject. If the Catholic Church adopted this nearly 200 years ago, then I submit Galileo's Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems to satisfy your demand.

Quote from: happenby on October 12, 2017, 05:57:19 PM

If you have something from the Catholic world that shows earth is not flat and geocentric, please provide it or cease and desist your garbage regarding flat earth.

I've been told on this forum that there are no planets or gravity in Flat Earth. If you require more Catholic scholars, then I have a list below of both priest and lay scientists. Pretty sure that they all lived before NASA.

If this doesn't then I suggest looking into:
Roger Joseph Boscovich (1711–1787) – Jesuit polymath known for his contributions to modern atomic theory and astronomy and for devising perhaps the first geometric procedure for determining the equator of a rotating planet from three observations of a surface feature and for computing the orbit of a planet from three observations of its position
Tommaso Ceva (1648–1737) – Jesuit mathematician, poet, and professor who wrote treatises on geometry, gravity, and arithmetic
Jean-Baptiste Chappe d'Auteroche (1722–1769) – priest and astronomer best known for his observations of the transits of Venus
Vincenzo Coronelli (1650–1718) – Franciscan cosmographer, cartographer, encyclopedist, and globe-maker
Jean-Charles de la Faille (1597–1652) – Jesuit mathematician who determined the center of gravity of the sector of a circle for the first time
Placidus Fixlmillner (1721–1791) – Benedictine priest and one of the first astronomers to compute the orbit of Uranus
Pierre Gassendi (1592–1655) – French priest, astronomer, and mathematician who published the first data on the transit of Mercury; best known intellectual project attempted to reconcile Epicurean atomism with Christianity
Barnaba Oriani (1752–1832) – Barnabite geodesist, astronomer and scientist whose greatest achievement was his detailed research of the planet Uranus; also known for Oriani's theorem
Stephen Joseph Perry (1833–1889) – Jesuit astronomer and Fellow of the Royal Society; made frequent observations of Jupiter's satellites, of stellar occultations, of comets, of meteorites, of sun spots, and faculae
Jean Picard (1620–1682) – priest and first person to measure the size of the Earth to a reasonable degree of accuracy; also developed what became the standard method for measuring the right ascension of a celestial object; the PICARD mission, an orbiting solar observatory, is named in his honor
Angelo Secchi (1818–1878) – Jesuit pioneer in astronomical spectroscopy and one of the first scientists to state authoritatively that the sun is a star; discovered the existence of solar spicules and drew an early map of Mars
Niccolò Zucchi (1586–1670) – claimed to have tried to build a reflecting telescope in 1616 but abandoned the idea (maybe due to the poor quality of the mirror); may have been the first to see the belts on the planet Jupiter (1630)
Giovanni Battista Zupi (1590–1650) – Jesuit astronomer, mathematician, and first person to discover that the planet Mercury had orbital phases; the crater Zupus on the Moon is named after him

DZ PLEASE · « **Reply #1016 on:** October 13, 2017, 02:42:19 AM »

Exercise in futility.

happenby · « **Reply #1017 on:** October 13, 2017, 10:36:13 AM »

Quote from: RoughAshlar on October 13, 2017, 12:40:28 AM

I've been told on this forum that there are no planets or gravity in Flat Earth. If you require more Catholic scholars, then I have a list below of both priest and lay scientists. Pretty sure that they all lived before NASA.

If this doesn't then I suggest looking into:
Roger Joseph Boscovich (1711–1787) – Jesuit polymath known for his contributions to modern atomic theory and astronomy and for devising perhaps the first geometric procedure for determining the equator of a rotating planet from three observations of a surface feature and for computing the orbit of a planet from three observations of its position
Tommaso Ceva (1648–1737) – Jesuit mathematician, poet, and professor who wrote treatises on geometry, gravity, and arithmetic
Jean-Baptiste Chappe d'Auteroche (1722–1769) – priest and astronomer best known for his observations of the transits of Venus
Vincenzo Coronelli (1650–1718) – Franciscan cosmographer, cartographer, encyclopedist, and globe-maker
Jean-Charles de la Faille (1597–1652) – Jesuit mathematician who determined the center of gravity of the sector of a circle for the first time
Placidus Fixlmillner (1721–1791) – Benedictine priest and one of the first astronomers to compute the orbit of Uranus
Pierre Gassendi (1592–1655) – French priest, astronomer, and mathematician who published the first data on the transit of Mercury; best known intellectual project attempted to reconcile Epicurean atomism with Christianity
Barnaba Oriani (1752–1832) – Barnabite geodesist, astronomer and scientist whose greatest achievement was his detailed research of the planet Uranus; also known for Oriani's theorem
Stephen Joseph Perry (1833–1889) – Jesuit astronomer and Fellow of the Royal Society; made frequent observations of Jupiter's satellites, of stellar occultations, of comets, of meteorites, of sun spots, and faculae
Jean Picard (1620–1682) – priest and first person to measure the size of the Earth to a reasonable degree of accuracy; also developed what became the standard method for measuring the right ascension of a celestial object; the PICARD mission, an orbiting solar observatory, is named in his honor
Angelo Secchi (1818–1878) – Jesuit pioneer in astronomical spectroscopy and one of the first scientists to state authoritatively that the sun is a star; discovered the existence of solar spicules and drew an early map of Mars
Niccolò Zucchi (1586–1670) – claimed to have tried to build a reflecting telescope in 1616 but abandoned the idea (maybe due to the poor quality of the mirror); may have been the first to see the belts on the planet Jupiter (1630)
Giovanni Battista Zupi (1590–1650) – Jesuit astronomer, mathematician, and first person to discover that the planet Mercury had orbital phases; the crater Zupus on the Moon is named after him

The Church condemned heliocentrism in 1633. None of these blurbs directly promote it and are subject to further discussion in and of themselves as long as they do not usurp the authority of the decree that has been handed down.

happenby · « **Reply #1018 on:** October 13, 2017, 10:45:11 AM »

In a letter of 31 January 1985 to Cardinal Giuseppe Siri, regarding the book Poem of the Man God, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (then Prefect of the Congregation, who later became Pope Benedict XVI), referred to the 1966 notification of the Congregation as follows: "After the dissolution of the Index, when some people thought the printing and distribution of the work was permitted, people were reminded again in L'Osservatore Romano (15 June 1966) that, as was published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis (1966), the Index retains its moral force despite its dissolution. A decision against distributing and recommending a work, which has not been condemned lightly, may be reversed, but only after profound changes that neutralize the harm which such a publication could bring forth among the ordinary faithful."^[52]

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #1019 on:** October 13, 2017, 12:55:15 PM »

Quote from: DZ PLEASE on October 13, 2017, 02:42:19 AM

Exercise in futility.

You are sure good at that; you are like a perpetual motion machine.

Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 221591 times)

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